The Cardinals make yet another bullpen pitching move, but the spotlight stays firmly on JJ Wetherholt as league executives anoint him the early NL Rookie of the Year favorite and the organization’s most important position player since Yadier Molina. We debate whether St. Louis needs a veteran bat to support the youth movement, break down major upgrades coming to spring training facilities in Jupiter, and dive into the growing uncertainty around the Cardinals’ TV future as FanDuel’s financial troubles loom. Plus, jersey-buying dilemmas, Joe Kelly’s retirement, and a round of league news as the offseason keeps delivering.

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The Brendan Donovan trade saga takes center stage as the Cardinals slow-play their best asset, hoping to turn patience into a real prospect haul while the market shifts around them. We break down why Contreras moved first, how Arizona’s Ketel Marte situation could reshape Donovan’s value, and where teams like the Mariners, Giants, and Red Sox fit in. Plus, the Arenado market remains frozen as St. Louis waits on bigger dominoes to fall, the offseason clock keeps ticking toward Spring Training, and league news includes Anthony Rendon’s Angels exit, a long-term deal in Oakland, and Team USA loading up for the WBC.

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In this historic, recorded live and in person, 200th episode, we discuss how the Cardinals make another major offseason move, sending Willson Contreras to Boston in a cash-assisted deal headlined by right-hander Hunter Dobbins. We break down what St. Louis is getting in Dobbins — his injury, stuff, and fit under Chaim Bloom — plus minor league depth additions and the team’s search for a right-handed outfield bat. Around the league, O’Hearn lands in Pittsburgh, Murakami heads to Chicago, and we check in on the World Series as the hot stove keeps moving.

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The Cardinals make a big pitching bet, signing Dustin May and betting on a reshaped arsenal after one of the strangest injury arcs in recent MLB history. We break down what’s changed in his stuff, velocity, and pitch mix — and what it means for 2026. Plus, trade chatter is heating up around Brendan Donovan, JoJo Romero, and Willson Contreras as the offseason market takes shape, while Arenado’s situation remains a waiting game. And around the league: Polanco, Kelly, García, Kim, and more find new homes as the World Series conversation rolls on.

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We’re talking Cardinals news as St. Louis grabs Zak Kent off waivers, weighs growing trade interest in Brendan Donovan, drops in the 2026 draft lottery, and continues exploring a 2026 role for Yadi. Then we dive into Jordan Walker’s big Driveline overhaul and what Fangraphs sees as the path to unlocking his elite raw power. Plus: all the latest league chaos — massive contracts for Schwarber and Alonso, Edwin Díaz to the Dodgers, a flurry of trades across MLB, and Jeff Kent heading to Cooperstown.

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The Winter Meetings are here, and the Cardinals might actually be ready to move Willson Contreras — with reports he’s now open to waiving his no-trade for the right fit. We dig into what that means, what happens with Donnie, Lars, and Nado, plus the Cardinals landing the No. 4 Comp Balance A pick and early extension talks with Oli Marmol. Then we break down Ryan Helsley’s big deal with Baltimore, Jordan Walker’s “earn it” spring ahead, and the wild news that the Cardinals will be revenue-sharing recipients for the first time in decades. And around the league: Devin Williams gets paid, Alek Manoah finds a new home, and the Blue Jays hand out another big contract.

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The Cardinals kick off the offseason with a blockbuster: Sonny Gray is shipped to Boston in a restructured deal that guarantees him $41M for 2026, while St. Louis brings back young arms Richard Fitts and top prospect Brandon Clarke. We break down what the new rotation pieces bring, plus the Cardinals’ smaller moves with Yohel Pozo, Scott Blewett, and Sem Robberse. Trade chatter heats up around JoJo Romero and Ryan Helsley, and we check in on early World Series action and the latest league news, including Ohtani heading to the WBC and a surprising Semien/Nimmo trade.

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The St. Louis Cardinals are gearing up for a busy offseason, planning for JJ Wetherholt to debut in 2025 and preparing potential trades involving Arenado, Gray, Donovan, and even Nootbaar. They protected four prospects on the 40-man, DFA’d Jorge Alcalá, and left Blaze Jordan unprotected. We break down the growing trade buzz, the potential options St. Louis is exploring, the Hall of Fame ballot, and big league news including Grayson Rodriguez’s blockbuster trade and several major qualifying-offer decisions.

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