"...photography is made essentially of time. I often think that what we show is a point in time, more than a window onto space." -- Frank Horvat

"The camera can’t see space. It sees surfaces. People see space, which is much more interesting." -- David Hockney

In this episode, Antonio and Ward begin with a tactile return to photography’s older rhythms as Antonio talks about rediscovering and shooting with a pair of film cameras, including an Olympus Stylus and a Nikon 28Ti. What starts as a story about loading film and checking batteries turns into a broader reflection on the pleasures of using older gear, the quirks of expired Ektachrome, and the appeal of getting back to black-and-white processing by hand. There is also some thoughtful camera talk along the way, not for its own sake, but as part of a larger conversation about the physical experience of making photographs and why that still matters.

From there, the conversation opens out into the latest Artemis moon mission photographs, which become the real heart of the episode. Rather than treating them as mere space documentation, Antonio and Ward look at them as photographs and ask why some hit harder than others. They talk about the emotional pull of images that include the astronauts, the wonder carried in views of crescents, eclipses, and Earth seen from deep space, and how these pictures connect to memories of growing up during the moon missions. The discussion also touches on how differently such images reach us now, arriving instantly in a time when photographs are everywhere and trust in them is no longer automatic. It is a thoughtful episode about wonder, memory, and the human side of seeing.

NASA Images can be found here.

Photo of Neil Armstrong

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"When you make a print, you are making an art object. You can’t hang a scan on the wall." - George Tice

"One of these days, I'm going to publish a book of all the pictures I did not take. It is going to be a huge hit." - René Burri

In this episode, Antonio and Ward focus on printing as a way of bringing photographs off the screen and into physical form. Using their recent conversation with Gavin as a starting point, they talk about books, zines, print exchanges, and the appeal of making photographic work tangible. They also discuss paper choice, including the look and feel of thicker fine art papers, and how printing decisions affect the final presentation of an image.

The conversation moves into the practical side of selling prints. Antonio and Ward talk about questions around print fulfillment, whether to handle printing personally or use a service such as SmugMug, how much control a photographer should keep over size and presentation, and how to decide which images are right for sale. The episode centers on the process of moving from digital files to finished prints, and on the choices photographers face when they want to share or sell their work in physical form.

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"When I play music, I see images. When I make images, I often hear music."

"Wonder is not a property of childhood but a function of attention.”

-- Gavin Libotte

In this episode, Antonio and Ward mark their 250th show by talking with Australian photographer Gavin Libotte, whose path back into photography took a long detour through graphic design, music, teaching, and family life before street photography pulled him in for good. Gavin talks about losing his camera gear when he was young, rediscovering image-making through the iPhone and Hipstamatic, and then finding a deeper creative groove through daily shooting, books, zines, and long-term projects. What comes through most is how photography, for him, is tied to rhythm, intuition, and being fully present in the moment, with music and visual composition feeding each other in a very personal way.

The conversation also gets into the way Gavin works: his graphic sense of color and design, his experiments with off-camera flash, his water photography, and the making of his book Symphony Number Five. Along the way, Antonio and Ward respond to the emotional pull of Gavin’s pictures, especially one Sydney Opera House image that sends the discussion into ideas about wonder, timing, and why certain photographs hit so deeply. It ends up being one of those episodes that is partly about technique, partly about books and process, and partly about what photography can do for a person when it becomes a way of staying awake to the world.

Note: Gavin mentioned Melissa "O'Doherty" by mistake but actually meant Melissa O'Shaughnessy.

Gavin Libotte - Website, Instagram. Purchase his book "Symphony No 5" here.

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