Spiritual Leadership in a Fragile World

Debbie Swindoll Kelly Arabie Debbie Swindoll joins BOW Ministry Team Member, Kelly Arabie, to discuss spiritual leadership in a fragile world. Too often people are afraid of being hurt and protect themselves by portraying a facade instead of sharing their real selves, even in the church. Debbie suggests a better way. If you are a leader in your church or community, this conversation will benefit you. Recommended resources Grafted Life Ministries website Life With God Journey by Grafted Life Ministries BOW's resources on Godly Living This episode is available on video as well. Timestamps: Time Stamps 00:21 Introductions 01:36 What is spiritual leadership? 03:56 What are the issues in our culture that make our world fragile? 08:25 What does it look like to lead people spiritually in a context of isolation and relational disconnection? 10:10 The importance of trust 11:42 How do we give people an experience of joy? 15:50 The importance of connection in our church communities 20:01 What are practical ways that small group leaders create that space in their groups? 23:40 Why is it so difficult to be in relationship in small groups & why do we feel the compulsion to fix, advise and rescue? 26:42 How do we move past the fear and shame in a group? 38:32 How is it different to lead a group like that? 41:41 Resources TranscriptKelly >> Welcome to the Beyond Ordinary Women podcast. I'm Kelly Arabie. I'm your host today. And our guest is Debbie Swindoll. Debbie is a spiritual director, Pastor of Spiritual Formation at Journey Community Church in Allen, Texas, and the Executive Director of Grafted Life Ministries. As founder of Grafted Life, Debbie envisioned and coauthored ten studies for spiritual growth. And she currently writes and speaks and consults on issues of relational theology and spiritual leadership. Debbie's training is with the Talbot School of Theology's Institute for Spiritual Formation at Biola University. And we are thrilled to have her with us today. Welcome, Debbie. Debbie >> Thanks, Kelly. When you said all of that, I'm like, “Boy, am I tired!” Kelly >> Well, you know of what you speak. So and today's podcast is on Spiritual Leadership in a Fragile World. And so, Deb, I know you have a lot of experience, decades with spiritual leadership. Debbie >> Yeah. You know, some let me just start by saying, what is spiritual leadership? I think we're very practiced and maybe mind full of being good leaders. You know, how do we get leadership training? How do we develop our skills as leaders? To be better prepared to lead other people-whether that's we're in the pastorate or where some other kind of leader maybe we're just a small group leader. But we're mindful of skills to make us better. We purposed to talk about spiritual leadership today because I think that there's a maybe an under emphasis on the spiritual a part of leading in the church. What I mean by that is a life that's really grounded in their own relationship with God and is very aware of God in the world, in their own lives, in the life of the church, in the life of other people. And they're moving in that space all the time. So in some ways, the skills that we get as a leader we may practice as a leader are only there to serve the awarenesses we have of God in our life and in others lives and how they're serving that awareness. So there's this spiritual world that exists and are we attuned to that? Are we aware of it and open to it and moving in it? And that's kind of the spiritual part. That’s kind of the extra thing that I think is a part of spiritual leadership. So that's kind of the context we're talking about. In this topic, which actually spiritual leadership in a fragile world that's kind of almost the special sauce, right? That helps us to actually navigate in a fragile world. Kelly >> So what are the issues that you think in our culture make it a fragile world today?