From a small Wisconsin town to moving multi-billion-dollar infrastructure deals, Chris Groves shares a story packed with grit, hustle, and a sharp eye for where the money’s going next. In this episode, Bruce and Chris dive into infrastructure lending—a space Chris calls one of the most exciting and under-the-radar investment frontiers today. Chris walks us through his journey from real estate to launching Groves Capital with his wife, to becoming a partner at GIA where he's handling $20B+ in annual capacity for infrastructure and reinsurance-backed projects.

We get into:

• How Chris made the leap from fitness and real estate to global infrastructure finance

• Why reinsurance is the backbone of funding for projects like hospitals, hydrogen energy, and trash-to-fuel tech

• What it takes to get a $100M+ project underwritten (hint: 276 questions and serious modeling)

• Why 9 out of 10 deals never make it past GIA’s front door—and why the ones that do are changing the world

• The future of AI, crypto, and commercial lending

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