00:00 – Meet Daniel White, serial environmental entrepreneur and founder of Gentian and Signal.

00:30 – Daniel shares how childhood birdwatching led to a lifelong passion for nature and ecology.

02:30 – Discussing early innovations like insulating buildings via abseiling and promoting green roofs.

04:00 – Using behavioral science to reduce household energy use through randomized trials.

05:00 – How nudging pilots led to $6M in fuel savings and lower CO₂ emissions for Virgin Atlantic.

07:00 – Building Signal to help pilots and shipping crews become more fuel efficient with data.

09:00 – Introducing Gentian: using AI and satellite imagery to map and monitor biodiversity.

12:30 – Why private sector stakeholders must care about pollination, crop yield, and nature loss.

14:00 – Exploring global legislation pushing biodiversity efforts across industries.

16:00 – Daniel shares entrepreneurial lessons: grit, creativity, and staying grounded.

19:00 – AI is not just helpful—it’s essential for solving the biodiversity crisis at scale.

23:00 – Using data-driven nudges and gamification to encourage eco-friendly decision making.

26:00 – Future outlook: tighter regulations, better satellite tech, and a purpose-driven workforce.

28:30 – Final reflections on hope, collaboration, and building solutions that matter.

In this episode, we sit down with Alon Bochman, a seasoned AI leader and founder of RagMetrics, whose career spans leadership roles at Google, Microsoft, FactSet, and a successful startup exit to Thomson Reuters. Alon breaks down the urgent gaps in AI testing today, why bilateral evaluation between humans and AI is the future, and shares a chilling real-world example of autonomous agents evolving faster than expected.

We dive into why true AGI might be forever elusive (because we keep redefining it), the moral and economic need for universal basic income, and why today's "chatbot phase" is just the first flicker of a much larger AI revolution—akin to the dawn of electricity.

A must-listen for anyone thinking seriously about building with AI, investing in AI, or simply understanding where this tech tidal wave is headed.

• 00:00 – Introduction to Alon Bochman: Ex-Google, Ex-Microsoft, now Founder of RagMetrics
• 00:50 – Journey from fintech to leading AI teams at major tech giants
• 01:50 – The problem no one talks about: Why AI apps often skip real testing
• 03:50 – The three bad choices in AI evaluation today
• 06:12 – How bilateral feedback loops improve AI testing and model reliability
• 08:18 – Human bias in feedback: Lessons learned from FactSet tech support automation
• 13:43 – The importance of read/write knowledge bases to adapt with change
• 15:43 – RagMetrics’ mission: Making AI evaluation scalable and less painful
• 16:08 – Redefining AGI: Why we move the goalposts every time computers get better
• 21:10 – AI’s impact on jobs: Why universal income may become a necessity
• 25:29 – The electricity analogy: How AI will transform industries like a silent revolution
• 27:54 – The scariest AI demo Alon ever saw: Agents that build their own tools
• 32:36 – Using AI personally: Learning, demo generation, and accelerating workflows
• 34:49 – Final advice to entrepreneurs: Just start, but test before you ship

• “If you're not testing your AI today, you're building a bridge without running trucks over it.”
• “AI will never reach AGI—because AGI keeps getting redefined.”
• “Progress is unstoppable. The only question is whether you're the Roomba—or the person programming it.”
• “Testing is the bridge from hobby projects to real-world value.”
• “The scariest thing I saw? An agent learning to create its own tools in 25 lines of code.”

• Alon Bochman on LinkedIn
• RagMetrics Website
• Taran Agarwal on LinkedIn
• Simplify Tech Website

00:00:00 - Introduction to Michael Beda and his background in wealth management and private equity

00:01:42 - Michael shares his career journey from the 2008 financial crisis to working in China

00:03:18 - Discussion of his work with Cathay Capital and transition to Hua Sha Finance

00:04:30 - Michael's experience founding Adoro Capital Management during the pandemic

00:05:44 - Overview of his current role at Eden Global Capital focusing on traditional industries

00:07:38 - Discussion on AI's role in risk management and due diligence in investment vehicles

00:09:54 - Michael's experience developing China's social credit system and rapid scaling

00:11:28 - Michael's perspective on AI as a tool that elevates human roles rather than threatens jobs

00:13:30 - The story of how an analyst using ChatGPT changed Michael's perspective on AI

00:15:50 - Discussion of job evolution and the importance of adapting to new technologies

00:17:14 - Johnny shares his personal experience with AI at Blackrock

00:20:05 - Michael's view on which industries will be most significantly transformed by AI

00:23:57 - How Michael personally uses AI and advice for entrepreneurs in the AI space

00:26:28 - Michael's final advice for entrepreneurs on market validation and product development

00:28:52 - Conclusion and wrap-up