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  • Hosts Reflect
    Sep 21 2025

    Hosts reflect with Yong Zhao, Curt Bonk and Punya Mishra

    Silver Lining for Learning is an ongoing conversation on the future of learning with educators and education leaders from across the globe. Hosted by Chris Dede, Curt Bonk, Lydia Cao, Punya Mishra & Yong Zhao, these conversations began under the “dark cloud” of the COVID19 crisis and continue today. We see these conversations as space to discuss the creation of equitable, humanistic and sustainable learning ecosystems that meet the needs of all learners. These conversations are hosted every Saturday and are archived on https://silverliningforlearning.org

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  • What's Worth Learning in the Age of AI: Reflections about a Summer Camp in Beijing
    Sep 14 2025
    There is widespread concern about student cheating in schools, but why do we want students to do things that AI can do? If we free students from learning traditionally prescribed content, what else can they learn and how can learning happen?In a week-long summer camp held in Beijing, China last month (August 2025), over 100 middle and high school students from multiple cities in China and Australia explored these questions. The camp was organized by YEE Education under the Innovation, Creativity, and Entrepreneurship Education (ICEE) philosophy, which focuses on personalized learning to enable students develop their personal strength and interests, problem finding and solving to encourage students to find and solve authentic and meaningful problems, and building human interdependence through collaboration and problem solving for each other. In this camp, students from different backgrounds and with diverse expertise and interests used AI to explore their strengths, discover and refine problems and solutions, and investigate the meaning of human interdependence. The camp did not use traditional teachers. Instead, it used graduate students from different colleges in China as mentors.The camp significantly affected students' perspectives on education and learning. In this episode, we invite a group of students and teachers from University Senior College (USC) to reflect on their experiences at the camp and helps understand the question: What Is Worth Learning in the Age of AI?More after the videohttps://youtu.be/iQSwdD_7xPMRead more about the theoretical discussions about the program:If Schools Don’t Change, the Potential of AI Won’t Be Realized published in Educational Leadership. Available at: https://ascd.org/el/articles/if-schools-dont-change-the-potential-of-ai-wont-be-realizedArtificial Intelligence and Education: End the Grammar of Schooling published in ECNU Review of Education. Available at https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/20965311241265124Paradigm Shifts in Education: An Ecological Analysis published in ECNU Review of Education. Available at: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/20965311241296162From Meritocracy to Human Interdependence: Redefining the Purpose of Education published in ECNU Review of Education. Available at:https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/20965311251351988Participants:Students include Anita, Ari, Anika and Shayanne.Shayanne Lim is a Year 11 student at University Senior College (USC) in Adelaide, South Australia. She is currently studying Legal Studies, Politics, Business Innovation, Philosophy, and Accounting as part of her SACE pathway. Being immersed in USC’s university-style learning environment has strengthened her interest in pursuing further study in Law and International Relations, with a major in Business. Outside of her studies, she has worked in a range of part-time roles that centre on teaching, mentoring, and connecting with children, from volunteering at kids’ church on Sundays, to teaching sport, and hosting parties. In 2025, she participated in her first YEE Camp, where she especially enjoyed the new experience of learning alongside the young participants. The highlight for her was interacting with the children, and despite language barriers, she found it fun and rewarding to engage with them and share conversations across cultures. Her passions are in learning, helping others, and embracing new opportunities. She is particularly interested in Law and International Relations to advocate for social justice and global collaboration. She is also drawn to entrepreneurship and hopes to use her passion in educational reform and to contribute to a better society, whether through improving education systems for children or creating meaningful social initiatives.Anika Anantula is a Year 11 student at University Senior College (USC) in Adelaide, South Australia. She is currently studying English Literature Studies, Mathematical Methods, Biology, Psychology, Philosophy, and Economics as part of her SACE pathway. Being immersed in USC’s university-style learning environment has strengthened her interest in pursuing further study in Neuropsychology, specifically a Bachelor of Psychology (Honours) with a focus on Cognitive Neuroscience. She hopes to use this knowledge to better understand the human brain, contribute to improving educational and social systems, and support individuals in reaching their potential. Outside of her studies, Anika has gained experience working in roles that involve teaching, mentoring, and supporting others, including volunteering at a scout group, babysitting, and working in Coles’ online department. In 2025, she participated in her first YEE Camp, where she particularly valued learning to communicate beyond words, using gestures and symbols to connect across language barriers. The experience of teaching the children fostered a deep appreciation for educators’ resilience and highlighted the ...
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  • Designing Innovative School Models: The Story of ASU Prep Academy
    Sep 6 2025
    What does it take to reimagine school from the inside out?ASU Prep Academy is an innovative, tuition-free public charter school network, serving students from Pre-K to grade 12. They also partner with other innovative schools to serve students across the US and around the world.In this episode of Silver Lining for Learning, we explore how ASU Preparatory Academy is designing innovative new school models that center student agency, hybrid learning, and real-world relevance. From microschools and flexible high schools to project-based learning across all grade levels and immersive tech experiences, ASU Prep is redefining what learning can look like. Its mission is to prepare students for college, careers, and life by combining rigorous academics with innovative learning models. Through options that include in-person campuses, hybrid programs, and ASU Prep Digital, students can personalize their educational experience and, in many cases, begin earning university credit while still in high school. With a strong emphasis on access, innovation, and preparing students for the future, ASU Prep Academy provides opportunities for learners across Arizona and beyond.These efforts are powered by the unique opportunity of being embedded within Arizona State University, one of the most innovative universities in the world—providing access to cutting-edge resources, partnerships, and a culture of experimentation that helps turn visionary school design into reality. Our latest models include a partnership with famous economist and author of Freakonomics, Steve Levitt, to create The Levitt Lab at ASU Tempe, Khan World School with Sal Khan of Khan Academy, and embedding real-world learning on ASU campuses and beyond through our Digital+ programs.Our guests, Megan Hanley, Executive Director of School Design, and Rachna Mathur, Senior STEM Strategist and AI researcher, share how their work blends personalized learning, emerging technologies like generative AI and VR, and bold pedagogical design.More about our guests below the videohttps://youtu.be/EWmBuwpByFwAbout our guests:Megan Hanley, Executive Director of School Design @ ASU PrepMegan Hanley is the Executive Director of School Design at ASU Prep. In this role, Megan helps to lead the innovation teams at ASU Prep including the Professional Development and Learning Initiatives, new school models including Khan World School and The Levitt Lab, college and career awareness, and STEM related projects. Megan has 16 years of experience in the field of education in Washington DC and Arizona, covering Pre-K–12th grade, having worked as a teacher, family advocate, program manager, educational and admissions coordinator, and as an Assistant Principal.Originally from Tempe, Arizona, Megan attended George Washington University where she received her Bachelor’s in Arts and George Mason University where she received her Master’s in Education.LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/megan-hanley-238261a/The Levitt Lab: https://asuprep.asu.edu/tempe-levitt-lab/Khan World School: https://asuprep.asu.edu/khan-world-school/Dr. Rachna Mathur, Sr. STEM Strategist @ ASU PrepRachna Mathur is a STEM educator, computer engineer, and Kathak dancer with over two decades of experience bridging industry and education. A former software architect at Intel, she now serves as the STEM Strategist at ASU Preparatory Academy and founder of STEMology Club, championing K–12 initiatives in AI, robotics, and emerging tech. Rachna holds an Ed.D. from Arizona State University, where her research focused on AI literacy and ethical adoption of GenAI in schools.LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rachnamathur/Personal: https://www.rachnamathur.com/ Upcoming Event: https://tinyurl.com/microspark-2025 Join the conversation at silverliningforlearning.org
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  • Transforming Education with AI & Digital Technologies in India
    Aug 30 2025
    Transforming Education with AI in India with Dr. Vinnie Jauhari, Ms. Swati Ganguly and Ms. Meenakshi UberoiIndia stands at the cusp of a transformative era in education, fueled by the integration of AI and digital technologies across its vast and diverse school ecosystem. With trailblazing leaders like Dr Vinnie Jauhari, Director Education at Microsoft Elevate, Swati Ganguly, CEO and Founder of Juana Technologies, and Meenakshi Uberoi, CEO and Founder of De Pedagogics, driving the movement, schools are embracing innovative tools that personalize learning, bridge educational divides, and empower both educators and students. From adaptive learning platforms and AI-powered assessments to immersive digital classrooms, these advancements are fostering critical thinking, creativity, and collaboration while making education more inclusive and accessible. Indian educators are leveraging digital content, real-time analytics, and cloud-based solutions to create engaging learning experiences that cater to students’ unique needs, regardless of their geography or background.This transformation, however, is more than just the adoption of new tools—it signifies a cultural shift towards lifelong learning and digital citizenship. AI-driven insights are enabling teachers to identify learning gaps early, offer targeted interventions, and ensure holistic development. Meanwhile, initiatives led by organizations such as Microsoft Elevate, Juana Technologies, and De Pedagogics are equipping teachers with the skills and confidence needed to navigate this digital landscape, fostering a mindset of innovation and adaptability. As India continues to invest in digital infrastructure and upskilling, the promise of AI in education lies not just in boosting academic outcomes, but also in preparing the next generation to thrive in a rapidly evolving global economy, making the dream of an empowered, future-ready India a tangible reality. The podcast focuses on how partnership between Microsoft and Training partners alongside Education leaders and teachers enabled creation of light house institutions. It also focuses on what it took hundreds of schools to make that transformative leap and get global recognition for their work. The podcast shares insights into some unique partnerships with State and National Boards of Education in India and scale interventions for skilling and teachers have been initiated.More below the videohttps://youtu.be/gE2J-uwyg7EReadings and Resources:Explore MS Learn for assets for skilling of Educators and students- Training | Microsoft Learn. This has free access to over 4500 modules on various areas such as AI, Security, Data Sciences, Cloud courses, pedagogical innovation for teachers. Create a profile and join for free and start a great skilling journey with Microsoft Learn.Explore MS Elevate to explore offerings for supporting skilling and education initiatives in Schools Elevating Communities | Microsoft ElevateExplore the AI for Education Resources on the link AI for education | Microsoft LearnInnovate with Teaching Pedagogy. The link to Educator Center on MS Learn is here https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/training/educator-center/programs/msle/overviewDevelop Applied AI Skilling through Hands on Labs here Microsoft Applied Skills | Microsoft LearnWhat does MS report say on leveraging AI in Education. Read more 2025 AI in Education: A Microsoft Special ReportLink to Shikshana Intervention on AI in Govt Schools Bing VideosLearning Accelerators in Education- Do the complete pathway for free at the link here Learning Accelerators for educators - Training | Microsoft Learn. It helps with increasing reading fluency with Reading Coach, Maths Skills with Maths Progress, confident presentations with Speaker Progress, Search Coach, AnalyticsAI for Educators- AI for educators - Training | Microsoft LearnEpisode GuestsDr. Vinnie Jauhari – Director Education, Microsoft Elevate, Microsoft CorporationDr. Vinnie Jauhari is a distinguished leader in education transformation at Microsoft India, where she spearheads strategic initiatives with the Ministry of Education, universities, and education boards. With a Ph.D. from IIT Delhi and a Postdoctoral Fellowship from United Nations University, Tokyo, she brings deep expertise in Education technology, evangelism and AI-led innovation.Her work has impacted millions of educators and students across India, notably through large-scale skilling programs such as the Andhra Pradesh initiative, which certified nearly 100,000 students in AI, Data Science, and Cloud technologies. She has co-developed curricula in AI, Coding, and Data Science with national boards like CBSE and IB, earning recognition from India’s Minister of Education in 2023.Vinnie has cultivated vibrant educator communities, including the Microsoft Expert Educator network and Showcase Schools, driving national and global acclaim. A prolific academic, she has authored 13 books and published over 100 ...
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  • Learning to Create: Inside the World's Leading Art and Design Schools
    Aug 24 2025
    Join renowned creativity researcher, Keith Sawyer, and award winning artist and educator, Steve DeFrank, for an exploration of how the world's leading art and design schools teach creativity. Sawyer brings insights from his interviews with over 100 professional artists, designers, and educators across New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago. DeFrank contributes his experience as both practicing artist and educator at the School of Visual Arts.Extended Introduction:What does it really take to learn creativity? Join renowned creativity researcher Keith Sawyer and award-winning artist and educator Steve DeFrank as they explore the world's most prestigious art and design schools. Sawyer, author of the new book Learning to See: Inside the World's Leading Art and Design Schools, shares groundbreaking insights from his extensive interviews with over 100 leading artists, designers, and educators across New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago. DeFrank brings his unique dual perspective as both a successful professional artist—whose work is held in collections including the New Museum of Contemporary Art and has been featured in publications like The New York Times and Vanity Fair—and an experienced educator at the School of Visual Arts in New York.Far from the romantic myths of tortured genius or sudden brilliant inspiration, this episode reveals the day-to-day reality of creative work at the highest professional levels. You'll be surprised to learn that many successful artists and designers actually resist using words like "creative" or "original" to describe their work. Instead, they focus on something far more practical and teachable. Through the articulate voices of top art and design educators like DeFrank—professionals who have mastered both creating and teaching—we explore what these institutions are really teaching their students, and why their methods might revolutionize how we think about learning and education more broadly.This conversation challenges conventional wisdom about creativity while offering concrete insights that educators, students, and anyone interested in creative learning can apply. Whether you're curious about artistic education or looking to understand how creativity actually develops, this episode provides a rare window into the studios and classrooms where tomorrow's leading creators are being shaped today.About our guests Dr. Keith Sawyer is one of the country's leading scientific experts on creativity. He is the Morgan Distinguished Professor in Educational Innovations at the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill. He hosts the podcast “The Science of Creativity,” available on all platforms. His 2025 book Learning to See: Inside the World's Leading Art and Design Schools is a groundbreaking account of how nationally known artists and designers teach in the world's top art BFA and MFA programs. His 2024 book Explaining Creativity: The Science of Human Innovation, known as "the creativity bible," is an authoritative review of all creativity research. His 2013 book Zig Zag identifies the 8 stages of the creative process, and contains over 100 techniques to enhance your personal creativity.Podcast: The Science of CreativitySubstack: The Science of CreativityInstagram: @creativityprofessorFacebook: @creativityprofessorYouTube channel: @creativityprofessor (includes all podcast episodes)LinkedIn: @drkeithsawyerSteve DeFrank: has had numerous solo exhibitions and participated in group shows across the U.S. and abroad, earning Fulbright, American Academy of Arts and Letters, and Lillian Orlowsky/William Freed awards. While on his Fulbright in Mexico, he trained as a luchador, the best preparation, he says, for being an artist. Lucha Libre, after all, is painting brought to life in front of exuberant crowds. DeFrank is an academically trained painter with a deep love of materials, especially casein, a demanding medium dating back to the Egyptians. His work blends meticulous craft with a wry queerness that resists cliché, creating paintings that provoke thought while inviting pleasure. He’s a passionate, terrible salsa dancer, he believes it’s more important to have fun than to be good. Far better at eating great food, playing cards, and talking about art, often all at once, he brings humor, curiosity, and tenacious joy to both his studio practice and the classroom, where he has taught since 1995. Join the conversation at silverliningforlearning.org
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  • Hosts reflect with Lydia Cao, Chris Dede, Punya Mishra, Yong Zhao & Curt Bonk
    Aug 2 2025
    Hosts reflect with Lydia Cao, Chris Dede, Punya Mishra, Yong Zhao & Curt Bonk Join the conversation at silverliningforlearning.org
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  • Mobile Learning & GenAI for the Less Privileged, Refugees & the Global South
    Jul 26 2025
    In Episode #239 of Silver Lining for Learning, we will have a conversation with three people who a decade or two ago were at the cutting edge of mobile learning. Fast forward to 2025 and they are all doing just like us--reflecting on how the newest wave of learning technology, notably, generative AI, can have a positive (or negative) impact on lives around the planet. Specifically, during this session, we will chat with John Traxler who is Professor of Digital Learning at the University of Wolverhampton (along with various other titles), Helen Crompton who is Professor of Instructional Technology at Old Dominion University as well as the Executive Director of the Research Institute for Digital Innovation in Learning at ODUGlobal, and Mike Sharples, an Emeritus Professor of Educational Technology in the Institute of Educational Technology at The Open University. Their combined time in the field of learning technologies and resulting extensive experiences should prove to be quite engaging and will make the one hour with them seem far too short. We should mention that Mike appeared on Episode #65 of Silver Lining for Learning, "Innovative Learning at Massive Scale: Let’s nQuire about the Future of FutureLearn," exactly four years ago. Note also that Helen, John, and Mike have all authored or edited several books and they are all colleagues; in fact, in 2018, John and Helen co-edited a book on mobile learning in higher education, "Mobile Learning in Higher Education: Challenges in Context," which is a collection of fabulous cases published by Routledge Notably, each was born and raised in the UK and each has traveled extensively to many regions of the world consulting, speaking, thinking, and conducting research. Part of our conversation will be about the state of mobile learning and generative AI for the less privileged, refugees, and those in the Global South. What fun we will have chatting with them whether we discuss mobile learning and teacher professional development in southern Africa, digital learning for the next generation, online learning post pandemic, robotics in K-12 schools, innovations in AI pedagogy, learning at scale, technology-enhanced curriculum development, or something else. What an exciting show to tell your friends, students, colleagues, and relatives about. Come join us. And share this episode with your network. This is an amazing group...!Dr. Helen Crompton is the Executive Director of the Research Institute for Digital Innovation in Learning at ODUGlobal, and Professor of Instructional Technology at Old Dominion University. Dr. Crompton earned her Ph.D. in educational technology and mathematics education from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. Recognized for her outstanding contributions, Dr. Crompton is on Stanford's esteemed list of the Top 2% of Scientists in the World. She has published over 200 papers and her work in technology integration has garnered her numerous accolades, including the SCHEV award for the Outstanding Professor of Virginia. Dr. Crompton's expertise extends beyond academia to practice, as she frequently serves as a consultant for various governments, bilateral and multilateral organizations such as the United Nations and the World Bank, leveraging her knowledge and experience to drive meaningful change in the field of educational technology. Her ODU email is crompton@odu.edu. Dr. Crompton’s CV and further information can be found here http://ww2.odu.edu/~crompton/John Traxler, FRSA, MBCS, AFIMA, MIET, is Professor of Digital Learning at the University of Wolverhampton, Institute of Education in the UK where he is the UNESCO Chair in Innovative Informal Digital Learning in Disadvantaged and Development Contexts. In a unique and unprecedented combination, he also holds a Chair from the Commonwealth of Learning. He is currently Academic Director of the Avallain Lab, leading research on ethical and pedagogic aspects of educational AI. His papers have been cited over 12,000 times and Stanford continues to list him in the top 2% of researchers in his discipline. He has written hundreds of papers (with an impressive h-Index of 40 and i10 Index of 95) and seven books. Dr. Traxler has consulted for a variety of international agencies including UNESCO, ITU, ILO, USAID, DFID, EU, UNRWA, British Council, and UNICEF. He is also a Fellow of the Royal Society of Art in London, UK.Dr. Traxler was a pioneer of mobile learning in the 2000s. For example, he was a Founding Director of the International Association for Mobile Learning. He also was a co-editor of the definitive book on mobile learning, Mobile Learning: A Handbook for Educators and Trainers. Among his other books are: (1) Mobile Learning: The Next Generation, (2) Mobile Learning and Mathematics, (3) Mobile Learning and STEM: Case Studies in Practice, (4) Mobile Learning in Higher Education: Challenges in Context, (5) Critical Mobile Pedagogy, and (6) Digital Learning in Higher Education: COVID...
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  • Growing Evidence, Growing Impact: How EdTech Hub Connects the Local and the Global,
    Jul 19 2025
    Growing Evidence, Growing Impact: How EdTech Hub Connects the Local and Global with Amal Hayat and Asad RahmanAs education systems around the world navigate increasing challenges from climate disruptions and deepening inequality to examining the impact of emerging technologies, there is a need for clear, actionable evidence on what works in EdTech. Policymakers and decision-makers are often forced to act without contextual insights and rigorous evidence to guide their choices. This evidence gap is particularly notable in regions with limited infrastructure, rapidly evolving needs, and pressures to improve learning outcomes. EdTech Hub was created in response to this need. Launched in 2019 and funded by FCDO, the World Bank, UNICEF, and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, EdTech Hub is a global research partnership that bridges evidence and practice to help stakeholders make evidence-backed decisions about the use of technology in education. Through the combined expertise of its consortium partners in research, innovation, and stakeholder engagement, EdTech Hub’s work has spanned seven focus countries as well as a number of regions to address long-standing as well as emerging needs in education, locally and globally.This episode focuses on EdTech Hub’s approach through the lens of its work in one of its focus countries, Pakistan, and how local and global connections are central to its impact. In many ways the country is a great microcosm of the EdTech Hub approach - a thriving EdTech ecosystem, support of public, private and development sectors, and the complex challenges of implementation, scale and climate vulnerabilities - Pakistan offers a compelling snapshot of how local and global dynamics intersect in the education space. We will also broaden the lens and draw connections of the work in Pakistan with the Hub’s regional and global work, where the need for contextual, grounded research remains high. This is particularly pertinent as emerging technologies like AI gain rapid attention and raise questions on the effectiveness of new tools as well as concerns about their impact, while the system faces increasing threats from disruptions to education. We discuss how the Hub is contributing to the evidence base by diving into new thematic areas and engaging with a diverse range of stakeholders, including governments, researchers, implementers, and EdTech entrepreneurs. This contextually-rooted work helps bridge the gap between local realities and global research and innovation making way for more equitable, effective, and evidence-informed uses of EdTech.Readings and Resources:For support with your EdTech research, implementation, and innovation, keep updated with our publications from our evidence library.Understand “How EdTech Can Be Used to Help Address the Global Learning Crisis” in our blog.Episode GuestsAmal Hayat works across EdTech Hub’s portfolio in Asia and beyond, where her focus is on supporting EdTech initiatives by strengthening implementation, and advancing evidence-based approaches to improving learning outcomes - particularly for marginalized children, out-of-school youth, and those affected by emergencies and climate change. She holds a Master’s in Technology, Innovation, and Education from the Harvard Graduate School of Education and brings prior experience in instructional design, educational consulting, and user research, to offer a learner-centered, evidence-informed perspective to her work in EdTech. Amal views supporting EdTech rooted in a specific context as inherently interdisciplinary - and is interested in exploring intersections with climate, equity, innovation and technology and policy systems. Her work bridges research and practice, helping governments, implementers, and partners navigate complexity and use evidence to design evidence-informed and context-sensitive EdTech implementation.Asad Rahman is the Practice Lead for Venturing at Brink where he designs funds, manages portfolios, and works side-by-side to help ideas grow and leads the EdTech Hub’s Sandbox approach, supporting teams to test and grow EdTech interventions, and share what we’re learning with the world. He’s passionate about the appropriateness and ethics of different technologies in solving the global learning crisis.Asad has many years of experience supporting growth and change in all types of organisations. Prior to this, he worked in strategy consulting and corporate strategy and innovation for a large professional services firm. He learnt that shifting how big companies work is about shifting the behaviours, incentives and mechanisms around people. So, he joined Brink as its first employee to dive deeper into how to do that. Join the conversation at silverliningforlearning.org
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