“Taking the Alford Plea hurt my soul more than being found guilty in 1994 did," shares Jason Baldwin, a man who is so much more than a member of the West Memphis 3. “When they forced me to take the Alford Plea something in me broke…”

The presumption of innocence and guilt beyond a reasonable doubt is seemingly reserved for a select few. For many flowing through the US system of [in]justice particularly children like 16-year-old Jason Baldwin and 16-year-old Brendan Dassey, the presumption of innocence is nothing more than a fallacy, a notion of intent not delivered. Contending with forces that conspire to convict, targeted by unmerciful prosecutors and defended by bad state actors - the truth of their innocence becomes a casualty of chaos.

Jason Baldwin joins me on the Sixth Hour to discuss his life pre and post-the-lived and survived experience of his wrongful conviction, Brendan Dassey, and his role as co-founder of innocence org Proclaim Justice.

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Song: Bad Man

Artist: Sarah and the Underground

Writer: Sarah Marie Dillard

“One of the first songs written after 'Making a Murderer' was released, 'Bad Man' by Sarah & The Underground is an unofficial anthem of the fight to free Brendan Dassey." - Steven Drizin, Legal Defense for Brendan Dassey

It’s lawful for police to use a variety of psychological techniques to induce suspects to confess including lying about evidence, accusatory questioning, and stomping their size tens up the nine steps of the REID technique because well, that’s what they’ve been taught. But times are a’changing.

In this episode of the Sixth Hour, my guests provide alternative, strategic interrogation practices grounded in science and rooted in humanity, what a revolution right?

Join me as we step into the interrogation room of Brendan Dassey and others with Dave Thompson, Partner and President of Wicklander Zulawski, a world-leading interrogation training organisation, Matt Jones a detective and Director at Evocavi Group which provides strategic investigative interview training that is grounded in decades of social science research. And retired homicide detective and author James Trainum who now reviews, consults, trains, and instructs on wrongful conviction cases, specialising in the field of false confessions.

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Wicklander Zulawski: https://www.w-z.com/

Evocavi Group: https://www.evocavigroup.com/

James Trainum: https://rowman.com/ISBN/9781538120033/How-the-Police-Generate-False-Confessions-An-Inside-Look-at-the-Interrogation-Room

Did you walk past, or did you stop? Were you called to act – to advocate - to just do something, because doing nothing felt like a crime?

When Making a Murderer was unleashed on an unsuspecting seasonal audience in the December of 2015, it triggered a gut punch for millions of people and birthed a community of criminal justice activists that continues to thrive five-plus years on.

On this episode of the Sixth Hour, I’m joined by Stacey Seabrook, Paul Capaldi, and Mark Hoddinott to discuss the role of advocate and what that entails in the context of the wrongful conviction of Brendan Dassey and his uncle Steven Avery.

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• There's something going on.
• As justice slowly disappears.
• Artist: Stacey Seabrook