Episodios

  • From Special Education Teacher to Corporate Philanthropy: Why Relationships Are the Only Legacy That Matters with Nicholas Pascale
    Apr 15 2026

    From a special education classroom in West Philadelphia to corporate philanthropy at Vanguard, Nicholas Pascale has spent two decades building his career the same way he builds everything: through relationships.

    In this episode of Ronderings, Ron sits down with Nicholas, a former SPED teacher, principal, district leader, and nonprofit consultant who now works on Vanguard's Community Stewardship team. Nicholas grew up in a working class Italian family in New York with a twin brother and parents who both worked at JFK Airport. When he was a year and a half old, his father was diagnosed with terminal leukemia and given six months to live. He fought for ten and a half years.

    That early confrontation with loss shaped everything. Nicholas knew by first grade he wanted to be a teacher after Mrs. Kennedy knelt beside him on his first day apart from his twin brother and told him it was going to be okay. As a principal, he built school culture around reconciliation, insisting that adults model the same forgiveness they ask of thirteen year olds. When he pivoted to HR at a startup and got laid off, the relationships he had been building for years carried him into consulting with Bellwether, Albuquerque Public Schools, and DCPS.

    Ron and Nicholas also go deep on what it means to maintain relationships over time, why financial literacy belongs in schools alongside health education, and how a volunteer role at Vanguard led Nicholas back to education through corporate philanthropy.

    Tune in to hear why the only legacy that lasts is the way you make people feel.


    Chapters:

    📚 01:44 Publish your book at www.leveragepublishinggroup.com

    🤝 02:34 Meet Nicholas Pascale: relationships as a way of life

    🇮🇹 08:20 Growing up in a working class Italian family in Queens

    🏥 09:55 Dad diagnosed with leukemia at one and a half: ten years of fighting

    👩 14:12 Mom held the load as a single parent after dad passed

    💰 16:45 Mentor, financial literacy, and how mom retired at 55

    ✍️ 17:44 Find support for writing your impact-driven book at www.booksthatmatter.org

    🍎 18:44 Mrs. Kennedy in first grade: deciding to be a teacher at seven years old

    🏫 23:36 Building school culture around reconciliation: kids come first

    🔄 33:27 From schools to ed consulting: Bellwether, DCPS, and Albuquerque

    🌟 35:53 If you are a leader or changemaker looking for support, check out www.geniusdiscovery.org

    🏢 42:32 How a volunteer role at Vanguard led back to education through philanthropy

    📱 48:25 The simplest relationship strategy: just reach out and tell people you love them

    💛 52:55 The Ronderings: life is measured in love and kindness through relationships

    🎧 57:17 Want a podcast just like this one? Check out www.podcastsmatter.com


    Links:

    LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/nicholas-pascale-ab1701137

    Connect with Nicholas on LinkedIn to follow his work in corporate philanthropy at Vanguard and his continued commitment to education and community.


    Connect with Ron: www.linkedin.com/in/rapatalo
    Check Out Ron's Book: www.amazon.com/dp/1613431473

    Leverage Publishing Group: www.leveragepublishinggroup.com
    Publish a Book That Matters: http://booksthatmatter.org
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    Go from Expert to Thought Leader: http://geniusdiscovery.org
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  • They Want Your Work but Not Your Voice: Ed Reform, Leadership, and Reclaiming Space with Dr. Maya M. Faison
    Apr 8 2026
    Leadership coach and former statewide education CEO Dr. Maya M. Faison knows what it looks like when organizations want your brilliance but not your voice, and she is done staying quiet about it. In this episode of Ronderings, Ron sits down with Maya, founder of Faison Advisory Group and creator of the UNMUTED coaching experience, to talk about what it actually costs black women to lead inside systems that were never designed for them. Maya grew up in Philadelphia, where a classmate once told her she was not smart enough to get into Masterman, the top-ranked magnet school in the state. Her parents went to the school to apply. The counselor hesitated. But a principal who chose to see her potential advocated for her admission. What Maya found out later was that her older sister had been turned away years earlier. Different principal, different outcome. One block separated Masterman from a school where a third grader could not read the words "press enter to start." That gap set everything in motion. She went from the University of Pennsylvania to Harvard to the classroom, then into policy work as one of the original teacher ambassador fellows at the US Department of Education. She eventually led a statewide charter school advocacy organization for nearly a decade, passing legislation at rates most policy shops only talk about. But behind those wins, the personal cost was compounding. Board members suggesting she hire a white man to run the organization she was already running. Colleagues undermining her team. The quiet, constant pressure to shrink. When Maya started attending EdLoC convenings and connecting with other black women in nonprofit ed reform, she realized her story was not an individual one. It was systemic. Women hospitalized from stress. Women blackballed for speaking up. Women who left the country entirely. That pattern is now the foundation of her research project, I Survived Ed Reform, and the reason she coaches women to stop muting themselves and start leading from wholeness. Tune in to hear why Maya believes your job will never love you back, and what it looks like to lead without giving away your soul. Chapters:📚 01:36 Publish your book at www.leveragepublishinggroup.com 🎒 02:42 Meet Dr. Maya M. Faison: Philly kid, educator, truth teller 🏫 06:19 The little girl who said "you're not smart enough" and the gloves came off📖 08:24 Tutoring a third grader who couldn't read the screen one block from the best school in the state 📻 13:33 Mavis Beacon, summer spelling lists, and a nerdy family dinner radio show 🎓 17:26 Traditional teacher licensure, Harvard, and the long route into policy ✍️ 21:45 Find support for writing your impact-driven book at www.booksthatmatter.org 😤 23:10 "There's this other guy": being told to hire someone to do the job you were hired for 🤝 26:19 Walking into EdLoC spaces and finding out it was all of us 📓 28:35 Interviewing women across the country for I Survived Ed Reform 🏥 30:23 Hospitals, Ghana, and the physical cost of leading under fire 💔 37:12 The biggest regret: putting off families for organizations that moved on without them 🌟 38:19 If you are a leader or changemaker looking for support, check out www.geniusdiscovery.org 📉 41:16 A love letter on LinkedIn and what 300,000 layoffs mean for black women 🧭 44:19 Negotiate from abundance, not desperation 💎 47:54 Maya's Rondering: you don't owe them your soul 👕 50:47 The shirt says healing over hustle and she means it 🎧 58:37 Want a podcast just like this one? Check out www.podcastsmatter.com Links:Connect: www.linkedin.com/in/mayabfaison Website: www.mayafaison.com Faison Advisory Group: www.faisonadvisorygroup.comI Survived Ed Reform: www.isurvivededreform.com Instagram: @mayabfaison Connect with Maya on LinkedIn or visit mayafaison.com to learn more about her coaching work with women in leadership and her upcoming book, I Survived Ed Reform. Connect with Ron: www.linkedin.com/in/rapataloCheck Out Ron's Book: www.amazon.com/dp/1613431473 Leverage Publishing Group: www.leveragepublishinggroup.comPublish a Book That Matters: http://booksthatmatter.orgStart a Podcast That Matters: http://podcastsmatter.comGo from Expert to Thought Leader: http://geniusdiscovery.org
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  • From Rupture to Aperture: Peace, Justice, and the Art of Community-Driven Education with Hector Calderón
    Apr 1 2026

    Hector Calderón grew up watching the South Bronx burn, taught himself English through Gilligan's Island tapes, and went on to co-found the first Human Rights High School in the nation.

    In this episode of Ronderings, Ron sits down with Hector Calderón, co-founder and former principal of El Puente Academy for Peace and Justice, educator, racial justice facilitator, and leadership coach with over 25 years of experience building liberatory spaces for leaders and communities.

    Hector traces his path from a childhood split between a burning South Bronx block and a one-room schoolhouse in the Dominican Republic, to landing at the epicenter of hip hop's birth on Banana Kelly Street, to finding his calling at El Puente in Williamsburg, Brooklyn in 1993. El Puente was not a school dropped into a community. It was a community deciding what kind of school it deserved. He shares the three founding tenets that shaped it: education as liberation, disciplines in service of community needs, and integrated curriculum that mirrors how the real world actually works.

    The conversation moves into what Hector does today, coaching leaders through the eighteen inches between the brain and the heart, and holding firm to the Frantz Fanon charge he lives by: every generation must find its destiny, fulfill it or betray it.


    Tune in to hear how Hector Calderón turns every rupture into an aperture, and what that means for the rest of us.


    Chapters:

    📚 01:49 Publish your book at www.leveragepublishinggroup.com

    🌎 02:39 Hector Calderón's story: from the South Bronx to the Dominican Republic and back

    🏫 08:55 Navigating dangerous schools and the move to Queens

    🗣️ 10:06 Teaching himself English through Gilligan's Island tapes

    🎵 15:18 Growing up at the birth of hip hop on Banana Kelly Street

    🏗️ 19:45 Co-founding El Puente Academy: a community building its own school

    ⚖️ 22:58 The three founding tenets of El Puente

    ✍️ 25:29 Find support for writing your impact-driven book at www.booksthatmatter.org

    🧬 29:42 Student asthma research published in JAMA and a vaccination clinic that beat the Department of Health

    🔥 36:47 Coaching leaders today: the eighteen inches between brain and heart

    🌟 42:35 If you are a leader or changemaker looking for support, check out www.geniusdiscovery.org

    📖 44:29 Frantz Fanon and keeping justice alive right now

    🎤 45:35 Hector's poem: in the beginning was the word

    💡 52:10 Learn to turn ruptures into apertures

    🎧 01:00:05 Want a podcast just like this one? Check out www.podcastsmatter.com


    Links:

    LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/hector-calderón-602b4124

    Connect with Hector on LinkedIn and keep an eye out for his upcoming book of poetry, art, and educational reflections.


    Connect with Ron: www.linkedin.com/in/rapatalo
    Check Out Ron's Book: www.amazon.com/dp/1613431473

    Leverage Publishing Group: www.leveragepublishinggroup.com
    Publish a Book That Matters: http://booksthatmatter.org
    Start a Podcast That Matters: http://podcastsmatter.com
    Go from Expert to Thought Leader: http://geniusdiscovery.org

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  • Issues in Our Tissues: Mindfulness, Burnout, and Conscious Leadership with Amanda Muhammad
    Mar 25 2026

    Mindfulness coach and professional development consultant Amanda Muhammad knows what burnout looks like from the inside, and she built a company to help organizations do something about it.

    In this episode of Ronderings, Ron sits down with Amanda, founder of Mako Mindfulness, to explore workplace stress management, psychological safety, and what it genuinely takes to build a culture where people can show up at their best.

    Amanda grew up in Kansas City in a family rooted in movement and faith. Her father ran a karate dojo, her mother became a certified yoga instructor, and a purple yoga mat from TJ Maxx is where her own practice began. She studied HR and organizational leadership, planned the corporate climb, but every workplace she moved through told the same story: people were quietly burning out, and no one was talking about it.

    When she finally decided to make the leap into entrepreneurship, she didn't announce it. She quit her job, told nobody, and spent a full year building Mako Mindfulness in the trenches before her family even knew she'd left. What carried her through was a daily faith practice and a prayer book she kept re-reading from the start. Every time she hit the halfway point, a new contract landed.

    Ron and Amanda dig into the gap between what organizations say about well-being and what their policies actually create, and why generational tension gets worse when leaders stop thinking beyond their immediate needs. They also get personal about why making your life bigger than your job might be the most underrated thing a leader can do.

    Tune in to hear what Amanda's story says about what conscious leadership actually demands.


    Chapters:

    📚 01:50 Publish your book at www.leveragepublishinggroup.com

    🌱 02:41 Amanda Muhammad's Story: From Kansas City to Conscious Leadership

    🧘 04:06 A Yoga Class, a Purple Mat, and a Practice That Stuck

    🙏 10:20 Leaving Corporate, Telling Nobody, and Trusting the Leap

    ✍️ 22:15 Find support for writing your impact-driven book at www.booksthatmatter.org

    💼 23:04 What Mako Mindfulness Actually Does

    🪞 27:05 Collective Care vs Self Care: What Organizations Get Wrong

    👥 31:52 The Leadership Mirror Check

    🔄 32:52 Generational Tension at Work and Who Has to Move First

    🚀 35:08 The Future of Work and the Gig Economy

    🌟 39:39 If you are a leader or changemaker looking for support, check out www.geniusdiscovery.org

    🎨 40:23 Art, Play, and Why Amanda Goes to Museums to Do Her Emails

    🌍 51:35 Making Your Life Bigger Than Your Job

    🎧 01:00:29 Want a podcast just like this one? Check out www.podcastsmatter.com


    Links:

    Website: www.makomindfulness.com
    Instagram: www.instagram.com/makomindfulness

    LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/amandamuhammad
    Connect with Amanda on LinkedIn or visit Mako Mindfulness to learn more about her work in stress management, psychological safety, and professional development for schools and organizations.


    Connect with Ron: www.linkedin.com/in/rapatalo
    Check Out Ron's Book: www.amazon.com/dp/1613431473

    Leverage Publishing Group: www.leveragepublishinggroup.com
    Publish a Book That Matters: http://booksthatmatter.org
    Start a Podcast That Matters: http://podcastsmatter.com
    Go from Expert to Thought Leader: http://geniusdiscovery.org

    For more great podcasts like this one, visit: https://podcaststhatmatter.org

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    1 h y 2 m
  • Rethinking the Brain and Human Potential with Ellen Petry Leanse
    Mar 18 2026

    From Silicon Valley innovator to neuroscience educator, Ellen Petry Leanse explores what happens when we stop separating creativity from analytical thinking and begin using the full capacity of the human mind.

    In this episode of the Ronderings podcast, Ron Rapatalo speaks with Ellen about her unusual path from a curious child interested in both science and art to a decade-long career at Apple during the company’s early years. She reflects on how curiosity, unstructured time, and even frustration with traditional schooling shaped her lifelong interest in the brain and human behavior.

    Drawing on more than 35 years of studying neuroscience with thinkers such as Dr. Iain McGilchrist and Dr. Jill Bolte Taylor, Ellen explores how the brain’s hemispheres shape the way we pursue goals and make sense of the world. She also reflects on how modern technology may be reshaping attention and cognition in what she calls “mental climate change.”

    The conversation moves into leadership, habits, and intentional living. Ellen connects neuroscience with older traditions of wisdom, including Taoist philosophy and Indigenous perspectives, to explore how people can move beyond reactive thinking and develop a more integrated way of responding to challenges.

    If you are interested in neuroscience, leadership, and the deeper questions of how humans think and create, this episode offers a thoughtful perspective.

    Listen to the full conversation to hear how Ellen connects brain science, creativity, and lived experience to help us better understand ourselves and the world we are shaping.


    Chapters:

    📚 02:03 Publish your book at www.leveragepublishinggroup.com

    🧠 02:54 Ellen’s Story: Curiosity, the Brain, and an Apple Break

    🌟 21:25 If you are a leader or a changemaker looking for support, check out www.geniusdiscovery.org

    💡 33:07 What Neuroscience Teaches Us About Leadership

    🎯 36:16 Habits, Focus, and Training the Brain

    🕊️ 38:44 When Brain Science Meets Something Deeper

    ❤️ 43:29 From Heartache to Hope

    ✍️ 51:05 Find support for writing your impact-driven book at www.booksthatmatter.org

    🔮 01:00:35 Ellen’s Big Idea: We Are More Than We Think

    🎙️ 01:05:03 Want a podcast just like this one? Check out www.podcastsmatter.com


    Links:
    Personal Website: www.ellenleanse.com
    Podcast Website: www.thebrainandbeyond.com
    Instagram: www.instagram.com/chep2m
    Facebook: www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100093194381038
    LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/ellenleanse
    If something in this conversation sparked your curiosity, explore more of Ellen Petry Leanse’s work through the links above. Her podcast The Brain and Beyond is a thoughtful place to keep exploring neuroscience, creativity, and what it means to be human.

    Connect with Ron: www.linkedin.com/in/rapatalo
    Check Out Ron's Book: www.amazon.com/dp/1613431473

    Leverage Publishing Group: www.leveragepublishinggroup.com
    Publish a Book That Matters: http://booksthatmatter.org
    Start a Podcast That Matters: http://podcastsmatter.com
    Go from Expert to Thought Leader: http://geniusdiscovery.org

    For more great podcasts like this one, visit: https://podcaststhatmatter.org

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    1 h y 7 m
  • Faith, Mentorship, and Systems Change in Education with Dr. Natalie Neris
    Mar 11 2026

    What does it take to lead real change inside systems that weren’t built for you? In this episode of Ronderings, Dr. Natalie Neris shares how mentorship, faith, and integrity shaped her journey from Chicago classrooms to systems-level leadership helping organizations turn bold visions into lasting change.

    Natalie reflects on her upbringing in Chicago and how a life-changing mentor helped her navigate college and discover her purpose in education. She shares how her early experiences as a student who often felt unseen shaped her commitment to equity and fueled her work in systems change. Drawing on her time as an award-winning educator, a leader within Chicago Public Schools, and later at Kids First Chicago, Natalie explains why sustainable change requires aligning aspirational values with daily practices and building infrastructure that truly supports people.

    Natalie also opens up about the emotional weight of leadership, the role of faith in sustaining courage, and why integrity is a leader’s greatest asset. Through her work with Root and Reimagine Consulting Collective, she helps mission-driven organizations bridge theory, practice, and lived experience to create meaningful and lasting impact.

    Her story, from a student at Northeastern Illinois University to doctoral research at National Louis University, is a testament to the power of mentorship, healing, and purpose-driven leadership.

    Tune in to hear how Natalie’s journey reveals what it really takes to lead with authenticity and transform education systems from the inside out.

    Chapters:

    📚 01:52 Publish your book at www.leveragepublishinggroup.com

    📝 03:33 Natalie’s Chicago Story: Growing Up in Humboldt Park

    🎓 07:00 The Mentor Who Changed Her Life
    💔 12:02 Trauma, Poverty, and the Hidden Reality of Students
    🔥 17:30 Why Faith Matters in Leadership

    ✍️ 20:22 Find support for writing your impact-driven book at www.booksthatmatter.org

    💼 23:25 Leadership Burnout and Broken Systems
    🏫 30:53 Rethinking Change in Chicago Public Schools

    ⚡ 34:22 Emergent Strategy vs. System Reality

    🎯 37:20 Finding Leverage Points That Actually Move Policy

    🌟 43:56 If you are a leader or a changemaker looking for support, check out www.geniusdiscovery.org

    🧬 46:01 Ancestral Wisdom and Systems Thinking
    🛡️ 55:29 The Most Important Leadership Trait: Integrity

    🎧 59:52 Want a podcast just like this one? Check out www.podcastsmatter.com


    Links:

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dr_neris

    LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/natalieneris

    Learn more about Natalie’s work through Root and Reimagine and her approach to helping leaders turn bold ideas into lasting systems change.

    Connect with Ron: www.linkedin.com/in/rapatalo
    Check Out Ron's Book: www.amazon.com/dp/1613431473

    Leverage Publishing Group: www.leveragepublishinggroup.com
    Publish a Book That Matters: http://booksthatmatter.org
    Start a Podcast That Matters: http://podcastsmatter.com
    Go from Expert to Thought Leader: http://geniusdiscovery.org

    For more great podcasts like this one, visit: https://podcaststhatmatter.org

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    1 h y 1 m
  • Say What You Mean: Leading with Clarity, Not Performance - with Danielle Kristine Toussaint
    Mar 4 2026

    From strategic communication to leadership intelligence, Danielle Kristine Toussaint shares how saying what you mean can transform how leaders build trust, align teams, and lead through uncertainty.

    In this conversation, Ron sits down with Danielle Kristine Toussaint, founder and CEO of Purple Haus, to talk about how authentic communication shapes powerful leadership. Danielle reflects on how early encouragement from family and mentors helped her discover her natural ability to influence and inspire others, and how those experiences shaped her work supporting CEOs and social impact leaders today. From navigating elite academic spaces as a first-generation student to finding her calling in storytelling and strategy, Danielle’s journey is grounded in the belief that leadership is never a solo act.

    They explore how leaders can stay true to their values while communicating in complex times, why vulnerability does not mean oversharing, and how silence can send a message just as loudly as words. Danielle shares insights from her Say What You Mean framework, reframing communications as strategic intelligence that helps organizations build trust, move people to action, and stay aligned when the pressure is high. They also talk about mentorship across difference, the importance of creative intelligence in mission-driven work, and why the best leaders communicate with clarity, compassion, and conviction.

    If you’ve ever wondered how leaders can show up authentically while guiding organizations through uncertainty, this conversation is for you. Pull up a chair and tune in.

    Chapters:

    00:36 👩🏽‍💼 Meet Danielle Kristine Toussaint, Founder of Purple Haus
    02:16 📘 Publish your book at https://leveragepublishinggroup.com
    08:01 💬 Mentorship, Trust, and Leadership Development
    14:42 🧭 Danielle’s Journey to Strategic Communications
    21:43 🧠 What Purple Haus Does (Clarity + Compassion in Comms)
    24:57 🛠️ Say What You Mean: The Communication Framework
    30:16 😅 Unfiltered Moment & Leadership in Real Life
    31:01 📈 Leadership in Complex Times & Comms Intention
    34:30 🌱 Why Listening and Network Breadth Matter
    41:54 🌱 If you are a leader or changemaker looking for support, check out https://geniusdiscovery.org
    52:24 🎙️ Want a podcast just like this one? Check out https://podcastsmatter.org
    53:22 🎯 Final Leadership Lesson: Team Sport, Not Solo



    Links:

    Website: www.purple.haus
    LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/daniellekristinetoussaint
    Connect with Danielle Kristine Toussaint and explore her work at Purple Haus to learn more about authentic leadership communication and how to say what you mean with clarity and purpose.

    Connect with Ron: www.linkedin.com/in/rapatalo
    Check Out Ron's Book: www.amazon.com/dp/1613431473

    Leverage Publishing Group: www.leveragepublishinggroup.com
    Publish a Book That Matters: http://booksthatmatter.org
    Start a Podcast That Matters: http://podcastsmatter.com
    Go from Expert to Thought Leader: http://geniusdiscovery.org

    For more great podcasts like this one, visit: https://podcaststhatmatter.org

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    56 m
  • From Competitive Drive to Purposeful Leadership in Education with Dr. Chantelle George
    Feb 25 2026

    From competitive dancer to higher education strategist, Dr. Chantelle George shares how discipline, ambition, and identity shaped her leadership journey.

    Raised in Lafayette, Louisiana, Chantelle grew up in a family grounded in education and service. Today, she is the CEO and founder of CG Consulting, a national firm working across K-12, higher education, nonprofits, and workforce systems to expand access and economic mobility for underserved students.

    In this conversation, she reflects on navigating the VA system as a caregiver, redefining success beyond credentials, and why institutions must shift from asking if students are college-ready to becoming truly student-ready themselves.

    This episode explores student success, systemic change in education, leadership under pressure, and the power of reputation. As Chantelle reminds us, it’s not just who you know: it’s who knows you.

    Chapters:

    02:03 📚 Publish Your Book at https://leveragepublishinggroup.com.

    03:45 🌿 Louisiana roots, French immersion, and growing up in an education-first home.

    09:42 🎖️ Supporting a veteran parent and navigating the VA system.

    13:02 💃 Fourteen years of dance, discipline, competition, and identity beyond achievement.

    23:49 ✍️ Find Support for Writing Your Impact-Driven Book at https://booksthatmatter.org.

    30:18 🎓 NYU hustle, higher education, work-study, and staying connected for life.

    32:22 🏫 Building real pathways from high school to career.

    37:45 🔗 When K-12, higher education, nonprofits, and employers actually align.

    42:54 📘 What student-ready really means in higher education: the reality of anti-DEI pushback.

    47:23 🌟 Leaders and changemakers can find support at https://geniusdiscovery.org.

    54:30 🧭 Not just who you know: reputation, access, and long-term mobility.

    01:02:18 🎧 Discover Podcasts Like This One At https://podcastsmatter.com

    Links:

    Website: https://chantellegeorge.com
    Social Media: www.instagram.com/chantellegeorgeconsulting
    LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/chantellegeorge

    Connect with Dr. Chantelle George to explore CG Consulting’s work, follow her insights on higher education and workforce development, and learn how to create meaningful impact for students and communities.

    Connect with Ron: www.linkedin.com/in/rapatalo
    Check Out Ron's Book: www.amazon.com/dp/1613431473

    Leverage Publishing Group: www.leveragepublishinggroup.com
    Publish a Book That Matters: http://booksthatmatter.org
    Start a Podcast That Matters: http://podcastsmatter.com
    Go from Expert to Thought Leader: http://geniusdiscovery.org

    For more great podcasts like this one, visit: https://podcaststhatmatter.org

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    1 h y 3 m