Join us for our silliest conversation yet, goodness knows we needed a good laugh. Today we read and discuss two delightful picture books.

• Ogilvy was written by Deborah Underwood and illustrated by T.L. McBeth, and was published in 2019. It received a starred review in Kirkus, and positive reviews in Publishers Weekly, Horn Book, and Booklist.

• Worm Loves Worm, written by J.J. Austrian and illustrated by Mike Curato (who wrote Flamer which this pod covered in Season 2, episodes 25-26). It was published in 2016. It received a starred Review from Publishers Weekly, and positive reviews from School Library Journal, and Horn Book.

As happens during a spontaneous conversation, Dorothy referenced a few things she couldn't remember the names of. Both of those are listed below. .

• Podcast: SciShow Tangents:Gay Animals - with Field Guide to Gay Animals!

• Movie: Trainwreck (2015), starring Amy Schumer

Join us for a fascinating and enlightening conversation with debut author Debby Show as she discusses her book, Paper Roses. The book explores Show’s real history and intimate truths as she grapples with the effects of generational trauma and with her experiences as the sister, and victim, of a rather infamous public figure. That said, this is not a book about her sister’s exploits; instead, it explores their mutual family history – through several viewpoints – and traces how trauma can leave a lasting legacy. The story has been fictionalized, but the emotions it evokes bear the weight of deeper truths.

You can reach Debby Show at t0r0sebud@gmail.com, or through her website at

debbyshow.com

Some of the books we mention on the podcast include:

• The Wizard of Oz by L. Frank Baum

• Stone Soup, by Marcia Brown

• The Nancy Drew Series, by Carolyn Keene

• The Bobbsey Twins Series, by Laura Lee Hope

• Maus I and Maus II, by Art Spiegelman (and here is a link to our episodes:Maus Part 1 (Why It’s Banned) and Maus Part 2 (Close Reading).

Today we talked to author and podcast host, Heather Hester. Heather is the host of the podcast More Human. More Kind. and the author of Parenting with Pride: Unlearn Bias and Embrace, Empower and Love Your LGBTQ+ Teen. As a speaker, author, coach, and LGBTQ+ advocate, she helps parents, allies, and organizations move from fear to fierce, informed love with clarity, compassion, and courage. She believes in the magic of connection and that kindness and belonging aren’t just a feeling, they’re a practice. You can find out more about her podcast at morehumanmorekind.com and more about the many ways she advocates for the LGTBQ+ community @ heatherhester.net

Books we discussed on the podcast include:

The Boxcar Children, by Gertrude Chandler Warner

The Last of the Really Great Wangdoodles, by Julie Andrews Edwards

Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of Nimh, by Robert C. O’Brien

The Scarlet Letter, by Nathaniel Hawthorne

A Discovery of Witches, by Deborah Harkness

Anything by the author Emily Henry

I Am Malala, by Malala Yousafzai