Rising Together: The Enneagram and Relationships w/ Julie McClay, Steve McClay & Jerry Rector

In this episode of Echoes and Edges, host Petria, founder of The Broken and Beautiful, is joined by her husband Jerry, along with longtime friends Julie and Steve McClay, for a candid roundtable on how personal awakening reshapes marriage and long-term relationships. The conversation centers on what happens after old roles loosen and familiar patterns stop working, but before new ways of relating feel solid. This in-between season—often quiet, disorienting, and emotionally unpracticed—is explored through the lens of the Enneagram, attachment, therapy, and lived relational experience.

Together, the group reflects on how growth begins as an interior process before it becomes relational—and why relationships often feel the impact immediately. They discuss boundary confusion, emotional presence, grief, humor, repair, and the slow work of learning how to stay connected without fixing, managing, or retreating. Rather than offering quick solutions, this episode names the liminal space as a threshold—one that invites pause, honesty, and renegotiation of connection in marriage, parenting, and partnership.

In This Episode, You’ll Hear:

• What “Rise With Us” means beyond hustle, reinvention, or self-optimization
• How the Enneagram can expose, amplify, or support relational change
• Marriage after awakening: when old roles no longer fit
• Heart, body, and gut triad dynamics in long-term couples
• Why growth can feel lonely—even when relationships are deepening
• The shift from fixing and managing to naming discomfort and staying present
• Humor, grief, and repair as essential relational tools
• Parenting, shame spirals, and why healing yourself matters more than perfect parenting

Who This Episode Is For:

• Couples navigating change after therapy, trauma work, or spiritual shifts
• Anyone using the Enneagram to understand marriage and long-term partnership
• Parents realizing growth can’t be outsourced to better behavior or systems
• Listeners living in the “not who we were, not yet who we’re becoming” space

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Credits:
Echoes and Edges is Produced and Edited by: Stephen R. Sanders
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