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  • Becoming ungovernable (Aviah from Hackney Copwatch)

    Becoming ungovernable (Aviah from Hackney Copwatch)
    Mar 11 2022
    Season 2 episode 15 of the Resist + Renew podcast, where we interview Aviah. A sneaky extra episode after the season closer! It took us a while to get back together. Aviah is a lecturer at Birkbeck, University of London, and is a community organiser the rest of the time. She is involved in the East End branch of Sisters Uncut, a national direct-action collective fighting cuts to domestic violence services as well as state violence. She is also involved in Hackney Copwatch, London Renters Union and the Kill the Bill Coalition, a national movement resisting the Police, Crime and Sentencing Bill. “Effectively, if you can organise enough people to [know their rights and intervene] in a coordinated way, then you can actually withdraw consent from policing altogether” - Aviah Show notes, links Netpol: the network for police monitoring Newham Monitoring Project, which shut down in 2016 after running for 36 years United Families and Friends Campaign, a coalition of people affected by deaths in state custody. There are Copwatch groups in Hackney, Bristol, Manchester, Lambeth, Liverpool, Southwark, Haringey, and Cardiff. the Anti-Raids Network, community resistance to immigration raids To find out about Copwatch, if you're considering getting involved: either DM an existing group (accounts listed above) or email sistersuncut@gmail.com! We now have a Patreon! Please help keep the podcast going, at patreon.com/resistrenew. If not, there's always the classic ways to support: like, share, and subscribe! Transcript SAMI: Hello everybody and welcome to this sneaky extra episode of The Resist and Renew Podcast, where we are interviewing Aviah. Do you want to say hi? AVIAH: Hi. SAMI: Seamless. So Aviah is a lecturer, at Birkbeck, which is part of the University of London, and also does a lot of community organizing, and she's involved in the East End branch of Sisters Uncut, which is one branch of a national organization that's like a direct action collective fighting cuts to domestic violence services, and other forms of state violence, and Aviah is also involved in local branches of CopWatch so Hackney CopWatch and London Renters Union, and is also involved Kill the Bill coalition - a national movement resisting the Policing Crime and Sentencing Bill that is currently going through the parliamentary organs, as we record this in early March, 2022. SAMI: So first things first.. Aviah what can you say about the political context that you are organizing in? AVIAH: The current political context is probably the most intense political context I’ve ever organized in. It's been a very intense year. And, yeah, there's, there's a sort of ongoing political crisis, particularly for the Metropolitan Police, that we, you know, at Sisters Uncut and also the Kill the Bill coalition and cop watch groups have been organizing to exploit. If that doesn't sound too Machiavellian, maybe I don't mind if it sounds too Machiavellian, I do want to destroy the cops, that's fine. AVIAH: But yeah, I guess that kind of that emerged out of, you know, I mean Sisters Uncut have been organizing around policing and the impact of policing, particularly around gendered violence, for like a number of years. And, you know, there's the occupation of Holloway prison, organizing around the death of Sarah Read a few years ago in Holloway prison. And, and, yeah, highlighting the, you know, spending years organizing highlighting the dangers of what we call, like many sort of black feminists call carceral feminism and the kind of feminism that invest in the police and prisons, as a sort of remedy for gendered violence and that actually you know we've been organizing around that for years to kind of highlight how dangerous and how effectively, it ends up punishing the survivors it claims to be supporting. AVIAH: And it was in that context of years of sort of organizing around that that situation emerged around the disappearance...
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  • Season 2: that’s a wrap!

    Season 2: that’s a wrap!
    Feb 26 2022
    Season 2 episode 14 of the Resist + Renew podcast, where... we wrap up for season 2! Show notes, links Sign up to our newsletter to hear about our future conflict courses! And finally, some perennial resources: our sister facilitation collective Navigate have a conflict facilitation booklet (from back when they were called Seeds For Change Oxford). See our "What is facilitation?" podcast episode page for more general facilitation resources. We now have a Patreon! Please help keep the podcast going, at patreon.com/resistrenew. If not, there's always the classic ways to support: like, share, and subscribe! Transcript SAMI: Ok so that’s it - we’re done with Season 2 of the podcast! Wooo. SAMI: That’s the end! We’re done with season 2 of the podcast! Woo ALI: Woop woop. Yep although we may have a cheeky bonus interview, we haven’t yet confirmed it, so watch this space just in case. Katherine? KATHERINE: I was wondering if we wanted to share some overall top takeaways from this season? SAMI: For me, in terms of top takeaways, I think probably a thing, maybe because it was the most recent thing we talked about in the toolbox, a thing that really stands out for me is that all the interventions that we suggest around responding to conflict happening in your group is a variant of: note that there is conflict happening, and try and create space to process and deal with it as a group. And everything else is just like detail, it’s format, it’s nuance. But the “note it and deal with it as a group” is the stand-out top takeaway for me. KATHERINE: I’ve loved speaking to all the groups, it’s been lovely to hear from so many people. And I think that I really found the toolbox to be incredible this year, for myself and for my own learning and to be able to have chats with both of you about what conflict is, and how we understand it or don’t understand it, and what to do about it. And just feeling really excited to learn more, and carry on from all of that work we’re going to be carrying on over the coming year. Spoilers! ALI: Yeah so, for me this has just been a really big project, we started talking about this in what June? July? And it’s now February, the end of February? That’s quite a long time to be working on something! So that’s been exciting. I agree with what you both said, and something new, for me I think it was really helpful to go into the frames of conflict. Specifically when Sami led that Toolbox about punitive, restorative and transformative justice – I found that really helpful. I really enjoyed those conversations right at the beginning. They feel like ages ago, so it’s good to reflect on those. SAMI: and it goes without saying - thanks to everybody that we interviewed, the groups and the people from those groups who gave up time to talk to us, we really appreciate it. They’ve been gems. And as always, thanks to Klaus and Kareem for your beautiful music ALI: to Rowan for the transcription this season - and a belated thank you to Katherine for last season, it’s quite a gruelling task, so thanks to both of you. KATHERINE: And we also want to say a massive thank you to Sami ALI: For getting all the podcast stuff ready and putting it on our website ready to go! KATHERINE: And this whole podcast wouldn’t be possible without you Ali doing all the editing work behind the scenes, so a huge thanks to you ALI: aw shucks SAMI: and thank you crucially to our two patrons - big up to them - we said we’d give you literally nothing for your money and you came through anyways, we really appreciate it, genuinely. ALI: Yeah thanks. And one final thing we wanted to mention was that, partly as a result of doing this podcast, we’ve decided that we want to do some research and development for new workshop content around conflict, anti-oppression and transformative justice - trying to see if there are any gaps in the usual conflict tools about anti-oppression and transf...
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  • Toolbox: You’ve named it, now what?

    Toolbox: You’ve named it, now what?
    Feb 19 2022
    Season 2 episode 13 of the Resist + Renew podcast, where we talk about a few tools to respond when conflict is happening in a meeting. 'The sad update that we have is, at least to our knowledge, there is no fancy Magic Bullet intervention.' Show notes, links An outline of the VERA model: Validate “I understand why it seems that way…” “Yes, I can see why you think that…” “Yeah, I’ve definitely heard that it’s a struggle to get council housing, given the long waiting lists…” Explain “I like to think of it more like…” “If we look at [this fact], then…” “…but I don’t think that’s because of ‘too many migrants’ taking houses – especially as so many migrants are barred from social housing lists…” Reframe “So if we look at it from that angle…” “Which means I think…” “…I think the the real problem is decades of underfunding of social housing, meaning that there aren’t enough houses for the people who need them, and the ones that are there are often shit quality…” Ask “What do you make of that?” “…does that make sense?” Some of the other tools we mentioned: Name, frame, pause. Pro = don’t need a solution to respond with this, or even know what’s going on. Example phrase = “It feels like there’s some disagreement and heat here that’s not really being acknowledged. Is there something I’m missing here? Do you two maybe have different priorities when it comes to this topic?” Request a group pause. Pro = can use the break to reduce the heat and switch tracks to approach the conflict from a different direction Example phrase =  “I think things are getting tense here, and I don’t think I can continue to focus, could we maybe take a few mins break and come back?” Enhanced name, frame, pause — where you talk to someone else to explore a challenge and why your group isn't already dealing with the problem. Pro = dealing with thornier problems is easier with support. Some resources: Seeds for Change's guides on giving and receiving feedback and active listening A handout from Boston University about using "I statements" And finally, some perennial resources: our sister facilitation collective Navigate have a conflict facilitation booklet (from back when they were called Seeds For Change Oxford). See our "What is facilitation?" podcast episode page for more general facilitation resources. We now have a Patreon! Please help keep the podcast going, at patreon.com/resistrenew. If not, there's always the classic ways to support: like, share, and subscribe! Transcript ALI This is Resist Renew, KATHERINE the UK based podcast about social movements, SAMI what we're fighting for, why and how it all happens. ALI The hosts of the show are KATHERINE Me, Kat. SAMI Me, Sami, ALI and me, Ali. SAMI I'm recording this now, baby! ALI Shit, it's a podcast! ALI Okay, welcome back to the toolbox. In this episode, we are going to look at tools and tips for handling conflict in the moment. In all the other episodes, we've given a lot of content around frames and ideas about conflict, and some tools for preventing it or handling it outside of the moment. And now we are going to get dive right into what to do if conflict is happening right now. SAMI Great, and I guess one, one thing that will probably soon become obvious is for various scheduling readings, various scheduling reasons, Katherine is not here for this recording. So you'll just have to make do with me and Ali. I hope that's fine. And so we're gonna, we're going to put forward a few like, very high level scenarios, and then we're going to talk through so like: Okay, so in this situation, what could you do about it? So one scenario could be the classic one, which is that there is some form of like active beef in a meeting. We've made the distinction before about like when there's forms of conflict that lie under the surface and forms of conflicts that like sp...
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  • Toolbox: Conflict in the moment

    Toolbox: Conflict in the moment
    Feb 12 2022
    Season 2 episode 12 of the Resist + Renew podcast, where we talk about how to deal with conflict in the moment where it spikes up, using a frame called an "OODA loop". 'Conflict doesn't have to be fighting or loud. It can be a stickiness, or a tenseness that our body is picking up on.' Show notes, links Why this is a useful frame: intervening in conflict situations can feel difficult; it is easier when you do these steps first!. In the "Observe" step, a few things to look for: volume changes an issue "cycling" back again and again issues being raised but not addressed participation changes (did some people leave the space and not come back) feeling tense in your body In the "Orient" step, a few questions to reflect on: Who is involved, and who isn't? Who is visibly involved, who could be not visibly involved? What roles are people taking (formal and informal)? Why do you think it's happening now? (e.g. specific timings What's your position in this? How could this pan out? Do you think it will escalate, or fizzle out? In the "Decide" step, a few areas to consider: WHEN to intervene: never; later but not now; now; a mix WHO should intervene: you? You + someone else? Other people, not you? WHAT you could do: have a side chat with people you think are "in conflict"; checking in on what a person who has been harmed wants; activating a pre-existing conflict process; name that conflict is happening, and explicitly park it til later; take a pause, to make a plan; name + ask people what's happening; find out what (some / all) people need; name and frame. In the "Act" step... good luck! More on potential interventions next week... Other resources on OODA loops as a model: A podcast that talks about OODA loops in more depth than we do... ...or a blog post breaking down the OODA loop steps, if you prefer written things. And finally, some perennial resources: our sister facilitation collective Navigate have a conflict facilitation booklet (from back when they were called Seeds For Change Oxford). See our "What is facilitation?" podcast episode page for more general facilitation resources. We now have a Patreon! Please help keep the podcast going, at patreon.com/resistrenew. If not, there's always the classic ways to support: like, share, and subscribe! Transcript ALI This is Resist Renew, KATHERINE the UK based podcast about social movements, SAMI what we're fighting for, why and how it all happens. ALI The hosts of the show are KATHERINE Me, Kat. SAMI Me, Sami, ALI and me, Ali. SAMI I'm recording this now, baby! ALI Shit, it's a podcast! KATHERINE Welcome to this episode of the toolbox. Today we're going to be exploring what to do in the moment when conflict sparks. And we're going to explore this using a thing called an OODA. Loop. And the OODA stands for Observe, Orient, Decide and Act. Over to you, Sami, to tell us what this is. SAMI Yes, I will try. [Luahgs] So: full disclosure, this is an idea that comes from like military with like a military background. So I'm not going to pretend I've ever like been trained at this at military school or whatever. But yeah, so the this like this OODA Loop, like to imagine it, as like a circle with Observe, Orient Describe Act as like a set of steps that you'll go through when deciding to do something in some kind of like conflictual situation or other type of situation. And so and I think just breaking out those distinct steps is probably quite helpful. Like, often when there is a conflict, you will have a step of, like, trying to work out what's going on, which is like maybe an observation step; which maybe has a question around it, like how do you know that there is a conflict happening? Like, what is the signal that tells you that? There's something about orienting, which is like, kind of digesting what you're observing. And like,
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  • Toolbox: Positions in conflict

    Toolbox: Positions in conflict
    Feb 4 2022
    Season 2 episode 11 of the Resist + Renew podcast, where we talk about a model to understand some different positions that exist in conflicts. 'This tool forces you to think about what it would be like for you to be in any of these different roles: having caused harm, having been harmed and having witnessed harm. We often don't want to think about the possibility of ever causing harm.' Show notes, links Why this is a useful frame: these different positions have different needs; all of us could occupy any of these positions at any one time. Some links to things mentioned in the episode: The Karpman drama triangle The first Exploring Collective Liberation course And finally, some perennial resources: our sister facilitation collective Navigate have a conflict facilitation booklet (from back when they were called Seeds For Change Oxford). See our "What is facilitation?" podcast episode page for more general facilitation resources. We now have a Patreon! Please help keep the podcast going, at patreon.com/resistrenew. If not, there's always the classic ways to support: like, share, and subscribe! Transcript ALI This is Resist + Renew, KATHERINE the UK based podcast about social movements, SAMI what we're fighting for, why and how it all happens. ALI The hosts of the show are KATHERINE Me, Kat. SAMI Me, Sami, ALI and me, Ali. SAMI I'm recording this now, baby! ALI Shit, it's a podcast! SAMI Okay, so welcome back everybody to the toolbox. So, in this episode, we are going to talk about the different roles that people can play in conflict situation in quite an idealised way. So a person who's harmed, a person who's done some harm, or then a person who's witnessed it. And this is a way of like thinking about conflict in general, but also like a tool that you can use. So, like always, we're going to think about some pros and cons and like, do a little summary at the end. So, Katherine, what are we talking about? KATHERINE So thanks Sami. As you said, it's a sort of triangle of: a person who has done harm, a person who has been harmed, and a bystander. And this is both a frame, so like a way of thinking about conflict in terms of who's playing these different roles, and also a tool to reflect on conflict, either individually or in a group: about what might happen if you are in any of those roles. So the purpose of the tool is to highlight that there are a range of needs, they're not all going to be the same whatever role you're in. So for example, if you are the person who has witnessed harm, you might need to have someone check in with you. Or you might need to have some time to process what you've seen, or you might need something else. And then it also highlights the specific needs specific people might have in a group. So if conflict does emerge, you have a bit of a sense as a facilitator, what people in your group might need. Also just want to name that this idea of a triangle in conflict is often used in other scenarios. So the idea of a ‘Drama Triangle’ in maybe more specifically abusive settings, where you have the perpetrator, the rescuer, and the victim roles, is something that this this kind of model is drawing on. So I think, at this point, it'd be really helpful to maybe ground this in an example. So Ali, do you want to talk to us about a time when you've used this tool? ALI Sure. So in 2018, R+R ran a course for a weekend. And as it happens, both Katherine and Sami, were participants there. So that's cool. So the course was called Exploring Collective Liberation. It was kind of all weekend exploring ideas around anti oppression, and specifically around anti racism. And at the beginning of the weekend, we did that whole thing of like saying, kind of, the intention for the space, kind of went into some variation of like, group agreements. And we also wanted to talk about how we would,
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  • Sex worker solidarity in practice (Elio from SWARM)

    Sex worker solidarity in practice (Elio from SWARM)
    Jan 29 2022
    Season 2 episode 10 of the Resist + Renew podcast, where we interview Elio. They organise with SWARM (a UK-based collective founded and led by sex workers who believe in self-determination, solidarity and co-operation) and are a branch organiser for United Voices of the World (UVW, a grassroots trade union of low paid, migrant & precarious workers and we fight the bosses for dignity and respect through direct action on the streets and through the courts!). “Our focus is less on convincing the outside world that sex workers deserve dignity, and [more on] providing dignity to sex workers” “Urgency will never end…but what might end is your capacity to be able to respond” - Elio Show notes, links SWARM: community building, community resourcing Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About The Swedish Model (aka The Nordic Model) New Resource: 'How We Ran A Mutual Aid Fund' UVW sex worker organising: helping to organise sex workers as workers The United Sex Workers branch of UVW Strippers union United Voices of the World (UVW) wins landmark legal victory proving strippers are ‘workers’, not independent contractors Decriminalised Futures: popular education, arts Their Lady of the Night School The Decrim Futures archive includes both recording from their 2019 conference, and also videos from the "We can build a different world" event The Decriminalised Futures exhibition at the ICA in London, running from 15 Feb to 22 May 2022 Some other projects: Decrim Now, a campaign group pushing for the full decriminalisation of sex work The Dialtone Project, giving old phones you don't need to the sex workers who do Volunteering with the English Collective of Prostitutes You can buy a copy of the acclaimed Revolting Prostitutes book And finally, the most succint "political outlooks on sex work" meme out there: We now have a Patreon! Please help keep the podcast going, at patreon.com/resistrenew. If not, there's always the classic ways to support: like, share, and subscribe! Transcript ALI This is Resist Renew, KATHERINE the UK based podcast about social movements, SAMI what we're fighting for, why and how it all happens. ALI The hosts of the show are KATHERINE Me, Kat. SAMI Me, Sami, ALI and me, Ali. SAMI I'm recording this now, baby! ALI Shit, it's a podcast! SAMI So, welcome everybody to the resist renew podcast, where we are joined here today by Elio. Do you want to say a little hello before I introduce you, Elio? ELIO a little Hello. Hello. Sorry, that was really… Hello! That's a big hello. Oh, it's multiple hellos of different sizes, shapes and sizes. SAMI Lots of variety: people can pick their favourite. Elio is a person who organises with SWARM, which is a UK based collective founded by sex workers who believe in self determination, solidarity and cooperation, and is also branch organiser with United Voices of the World, which is a grassroots trade union of low paid migrant and precarious workers that fight the bosses for dignity and respect, through direct action, on the streets and through the courts, which is a sentence from the website that I just really wanted to read out; and is also involved in other groups and things! And was also giving us some very helpful advice for our muscles and physical bodies before we started the recording. So thank you for that. So, let's get into the let's get into the chat. Elio, what is that political contexts that like sex workers, and the groups that you're linked in with are organising within like in the UK today? ELIO So I think the main context that's the most important to think about in terms of the impact it has on sex workers is the legal context. So currently, in the UK, specifically, I'm speaking about England and Wales really is, sex work is not is partially criminalised. So selling the act of selling sex and buying sex,
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  • Toolbox: Safer spaces policies

    Toolbox: Safer spaces policies
    Jan 22 2022
    Season 2 episode 9 of the Resist + Renew podcast, where we talk about safer spaces policies, as a tool that groups use for a variety of reasons. 'Safer spaces policies can create a void that people will then fill with punitive approaches to difficulty, difference and conflict' Show notes, links After a callout for safer spaces agreements, a few groups kindly offered to have their agreements shared, to give you some examples: AFem2014 policy + explainer + glossary (though the event wasn't without issues: see this write-up and another write-up) SWARM conference in 2019 Sisters Uncut Young FOE Scotland has a longer safer spaces agreement,  a more concise policy, and they will also sometimes make group agreements or smaller policies built on these too for specific events Iconiq Academy’s braver spaces agreement A few other resources that we mentioned in the episode: Mainstreams and margins The distinction between calling in and calling out Perennial resources: our sister facilitation collective Navigate have a conflict facilitation booklet (from back when they were called Seeds For Change Oxford). See our "What is facilitation?" podcast episode page for more general facilitation resources. We now have a Patreon! Please help keep the podcast going, at patreon.com/resistrenew. If not, there's always the classic ways to support: like, share, and subscribe! Transcript ALI This is Resist Renew, KATHERINE the UK based podcast about social movements, SAMI what we're fighting for, why and how it all happens. ALI The hosts of the show are KATHERINE Me, Kat. SAMI Me, Sami, ALI and me, Ali. SAMI I'm recording this now, baby! ALI Shit, it's a podcast! KATHERINE Welcome to today's episode of the toolbox, we're going to be looking at the safer spaces policies today. This is a tool that groups can create: we're going to be finding out what they are, talking about the pros and cons of using a safer spaces policy and sharing our top take-aways. Sami, do you want to tell us a little bit about what safer spaces policies are? SAMI I would love to Katherine! So I think safer spaces policies are often some kind of like written document or some kind of agreement. Often around the topic of like resisting societal oppressions, and they will name like, often the beliefs of like a group or a space and some intentions to resist these societal impressions. And sometimes mentioning what they think those versions of societal oppression are, for clarity, that aren't going to be like, welcome in the space in whatever way they mean. And sometimes they will include some bit about what they'll do to like, actually resist the societal oppressions. Not always. And I guess maybe there's a distinction to make here between like something that is like more of a policy, which is like, ‘this is what we think and blah, blah, blah,’ and maybe more something that's like a process, which is like, ‘we’ll actually do this or handle these situations in this way.’ So that's like one distinction to draw out now. Ali, do you wanna nuance that up? ALI Oh, God, pressure. So safer spaces. It's a bit of a weird term if you haven't been around it much. So a bit of background as to why it's called that. Previously, people used to talk about creating “safe spaces,” as in places that people will feel comfortable to share things and they won't get a deal with oppression and stuff. But because that's not possible, because we live in the real world, we try and mitigate against oppressions, rather than making them completely safe. So safer. There are variations: some people have come up with the term braver spaces, which is, again, about showing up and dealing with things as they arise rather than creating safety. So a bit about why we are talking about safer spaces, safer spaces policy in a season about conflict. That's because often conflicts within groups relate to both societal oppression...
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  • Youth-led climate organising (with Youth 4 Climate Leeds)

    Youth-led climate organising (with Youth 4 Climate Leeds)
    Jan 15 2022
    Season 2 episode 8 of the Resist + Renew podcast, where we interview Nell, Martha and Naomi from Youth 4 Climate Leeds. We talk about shifting tactics from just strikes, working in solidarity with other groups, “de-diversification”, and navigating being a group during a pandemic! “Both the cause and the effects of climate change is interlinked with racial justice” - Nell “There is sometimes an ethic within activist circles like, ‘I can change the world by myself.’ And then you end up just taking on so much work and it just becomes ridiculous. Like, I remember like, it must have been early 2020 and I was going to three meetings a week all in different places” - Martha Show notes, links Youth 4 Climate Leeds Twitter (@yleedsuk), Instagram (@youth4climate_leeds) and Facebook. You can find links to school strike groups across the country on the UK Student Climate Network website. We now have a Patreon! Please help keep the podcast going, at patreon.com/resistrenew. If not, there's always the classic ways to support: like, share, and subscribe! Transcript ALI This is Resist Renew, KATHERINE the UK based podcast about social movements, SAMI what we're fighting for, why and how it all happens. ALI The hosts of the show are KATHERINE Me, Kat. SAMI Me, Sami, ALI and me, Ali. SAMI I'm recording this now, baby! ALI Shit, it's a podcast! SAMI Welcome, everybody to the Resist + Renew podcast. We are here today with a number of people from Youth 4 Climate Leeds. Youth 4 Climate Leeds was a group that was founded in early 2019 as part of the Global Youth Strike for Climate, and Fridays For the Future movement, and is run by young people. And why don't you introduce yourselves? Martha, do you want to go first? MARTHA Hi, I'm Martha. I'm part of Youth 4 Climate Leeds. I've been part of this group since 2019. And obviously, we're all incredibly passionate about climate justice and social justice as part of the group. SAMI Great: Naomi? NAOMI Yeah, so. Hi, I'm Naomi. I'm part of Youth 4 Climate Leeds as well. So I've been kind of involved with the climate movement more formally with like different organisations and companies for a while. And then in like, early March 2021, I've become more involved with like the organising. So ever since then, I've been organising weekly. SAMI Amazing, good stuff. And Nell. NELL Yeah, I'm Nell. I've been involved in Youth 4 Climate Leeds since March 2019. So early days, and and it's been a big part of my life ever since. SAMI Great! Okay, so starting us off. What is the political context that you're organising in? Could you tell us a little bit about that? MARTHA So Youth 4 Climate Leeds is basically part of this global reaction to governments’ lack of lack of policymaking towards this incredible crisis that we face at the moment. And specifically, the strikes are obviously, they're inspired by the wider Fridays For Future movement that began with Greta Thunberg. So it's all inspirational from that. And we, we strike about every few months, and we tried to put pressure on the government to make policy that deals with climate change, and to empower young people within Leeds within that context as well. SAMI Great, thank you. And so could you maybe say a little bit about - You said, I can't remember exactly the wording but something around like resistance to like government inaction, or whatever. Could you say a little bit about, like, that, and how you understand that? Like, what, what do you think, what do you think's going on? Like, why do you feel like this, the kind of stuff you're doing is a good, a good tactic? MARTHA So our kind of ways that we organise are through civil disobedience. And we encourage young people to strike from education in a kind of disturbance, but a self inflicted disturbance. So a lot of the criticisms that can come to nonviolent, like nonviolent direct action is that you're infli...
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