What happens when a professional counselor trades the therapy couch for the flight deck? In this episode, Nik sits down with Jason Pogue, a regional airline captain and founder of FlyingWell.org, to explore the remarkable journey from mental health counseling to commanding an Embraer 170. Jason shares how his background in psychology and counseling continues to shape his leadership and communication in the cockpit — and why he believes the next frontier in aviation is pilot wellness.
Before flying, Jason earned dual master's degrees in Divinity and Counseling, working for years as a therapist with individuals and couples. After realizing he was giving his family only his "emotional leftovers," Jason pursued flight training through an accelerated Part 141 program, later serving as an instructor, check instructor, and Manager of Flight Standards before joining the airlines in 2023. Today, he's not only a captain but also a union safety volunteer, peer support advocate, and mentor for new pilots. His mission through FlyingWell.org is simple but profound: to help pilots thrive both in and out of the cockpit.
What You'll Learn in This Episode
1. The Career Pivot: How Jason transitioned from a thriving counseling practice to a new life in aviation — and the self-reflection it took to make that leap responsibly.
2. Lessons from Therapy in the Flight Deck: Why emotional awareness, empathy, and active listening are underrated pilot skills that can transform crew dynamics.
3. The "Wellness, Not Illness" Mindset: Jason's call to reframe pilot mental health as wellness — a daily practice of emotional fitness, not a crisis response.
4. The Realities of Regional Life: Honest talk about commuting, reserve life, and family balance — and how to stay grounded when the schedule gets tough.
5. Building FlyingWell.org: Jason's vision for connecting pilots with tools, resources, and each other to sustain long, healthy aviation careers.
6. Proactive Tools for Mental Resilience: How sleep, nutrition, connection, and mindfulness build emotional "muscle memory" for when stress hits. This conversation bridges the worlds of psychology and aviation, reminding us that while the cockpit demands precision and performance, true success comes from wholeness — in our minds, relationships, and communities. Jason's story shows that thriving as a pilot starts long before takeoff.
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