Dr Gareth Farmer (University of Bedfordshire) joins me to discuss Veronica Forrest-Thomson's theory of poetry, and particularly her book, Poetic Artifice.

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terms and references:

(1) Veronica Forrest-Thomson, Poetic Artifice • difficulty • Drew Milne • J. H. Prynne (2) Gareth Farmer, Veronica Forrest-Thomson: Poet on the Periphery • Jonathan Culler (4) Roman Jakobson, poetic function (5) artifice (6) meaning • external world • mimesis (7) naturalisation (9) artifice • New Criticism • Well Wrought Urn (10) platonic form • formal features (11) Jakobson • Ferdinand de Saussure • structuralism (12) image-complex • disconnected image-complex • Forrest-Thomson, 'The Separate Planet' • William Empson (13) dominant of the poem • metaphysical conceit (14) disconnected image-complex (15) Deleuze & Guattari, the rhizome (16) John Ashbery (17) discursive imagery • empirical imagery • Brian McHale (18) intertextuality • reference • schematisation (19) elegant failure (20) Practical Criticism • internal/external expansion and limitation (21) treeness (22) Jakobson • Empson (23) I. A. Richards • structuralism • post-structuralism • Roland Barthes • Julia Kristeva • Marcelin Pleynet • Michel Couturier (24) Tel Quel • Culler, Structuralist Poetics (25) Dada • Tristran Tzara (25) Marjorie Perloff (26) Wittgenstein • ordinary language philosophy (27) Barthes • Wittgenstein, language-game • poetic function • Russian Formalism • Velimir Khlebnikov • Vladimir Mayakovsky (28) Viktor Shklovsky • Zaum poetry • strangeness (29) poetic practice • Ted Hughes • Philip Larkin • experimental poetics • The Movement (30) Ashbery (32) Empson • subjective but who cares? • women at Cambridge in the 1970s • Wendy Mulford • Denise Riley (33) Forrest-Thomson, Cordelia, or 'A Poem Should Not Mean, But Be' (34) Archibald MacLeish, 'Ars Poetica' (36) hermeneutics (39) heroic failures (41) politics • identity politics • feminism (42) Riley

This episode's poem can be read in Venus as a Bear (Carcanet, 2018) or online here:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2018/may/21/poem-of-the-week-they-may-forget-their-names-if-let-out-by-vahni-capildeo

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terms and references:

(1) Gladstone's Library (2) cuteness (3) anthropomorphism (4) Francis Ponge, the domestic, oysters, soap | metaphor (5) Jorie Graham (6) Vahni Capildeo, Venus as a Bear | Birmingham University | Forward Prize | excitement (9) Vahni Capildeo, 'They (may forget (their names (if let out)))' | learning by heart (10) pace (12) sonnet, Shakespeare, Petrarch (13) volta | Maisie interruption (15) rhyme scheme, identical rhyme | assonance (16) content (17) cats vs dogs | domestication (18) subjectivities (19) imagining being a pet | petty phenomena (20) anthropomorphism (22) Ludwig Wittgenstein, Philosophical Investigations, 'Wenn ein Löwe sprechen könnte, wir könnten ihn nicht verstehen' (23) Les Murray, Translations from the Natural World (25) Minnie Mouse (26) polkadots and my wardrobe | gender (27) Yayoi Kusama, infinity nets (29) infinity net explainer (30) Vahni Capildeo, 'They (may forget (their names (if let out)))' | brackets, confinement (31) Charles Olson | punctuation | zombies (34) names (36) in and out, in and ex | interior language (36) Ron Silliman, 'The New Sentence', torquing (38) Isabel Galleymore, Significant Other, 'Rainforest Spelled Backwards Is Lustful', 'Spirit Human' | Matthea Harvey, Pity the Bathtub Its Forced Embrace of the Human Form (39) Language Poetry | bounce (40) optician's exam (42) visual patterning | collocation (43) monosyllables (44) carpet | sound (48) vomit (49) the body (50) parts of speech (51) Wittgenstein, pictures of reality (53) ownership, domestication (54) Friedrich Nietzsche, grammar | verbal diarrhoea (55) patting, pattes (57) turds and turding (1'01) dogs sniffing dogs bottoms (1'02) predators (1'05) tagging along (1'06) being mean and meaning beings (1'07) canis, dog (1'08) polling (1'10) translated polkadot blanket (1'12) bowwow (1'13) Genesis ( 1'14) Latin (1'15) Trinitarian formula (1'18) reset to factory settings (1'19) setting

The post-hoc inserted explainer music is 'Local Forecast - Elevator' by Kevin MacLeod, (Creative Commons —  https://goo.gl/Yibru5)

Read the poem here: http://whilethereisstilltime.blogspot.com/2013/01/new-year-dusk.html

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subjects and references:

(1) Perverse magazine (2) convention (3) Bloodaxe | New Yorker cartoon (4) Chrissy Williams, Low | W. H. Auden, apprenticeship | Sylvia Plath, biography (5) modernism, Ezra Pound, The Cantos (6) music and poetry | Swansea University, Wynn Thomas, American poetry, eyebrows (7) form | Walt Whitman, self-promotion (8) arguments in pubs (9) Walt Whitman, 'When I Heard the Learn'd Astronomer', post-truth (10) Poetry Parnassus, Anna Selby, Southbank Centre (11) Aldeburgh Poetry Festival | yapping about poetry (12) Sonam Chhoki | Japanese poetry forms (13) Sonam Chhoki, 'New Year Dusk' (14) simple observation (15) the passage of time, taking stock (16) capitalisation | collocation (18) consistency editorial brain (19) parts of speech | Pound, 'In a Station of the Metro' | imagism, metaphor (20) Arthur interruption (21) figures, graphemes, figuration (22) mimesis (23) the 'hyperpoety' | installation poetry (25) mistaking (26) imagism, metaphor, the renunciation of metaphor (27) literal and metaphorical | persona, copula (28) ambiguity | brevity (29) editing | The Poetry Library | economy, short poems (30) waffle | Chrissy Williams, Bear | epigraphs (31) poetry as juxtaposition | instapoetry (32) spoken word vs 'book' poets (33) space, legibility (34) motivational quotes, originality, substance (35) concrete poetry | snobbery | Poems on the Underground (36) implied speaking voice | Ian Hamilton Finlay, Little Sparta (37) advertising, words in the urban space | snobbery vs the right to critique, discrimination (38) space, layout (39) visual aspects invisible to reading (e.g. page-breaks) (40) Simon Armitage (41) format (42) fold-out pages | Toby Martinez de las Rivas, Terror | syllabics (43) haiku, tanka (44) half-rhyme, assonance | quatrain (46) generating disruption | stress (47) coupling & company | the minimum of companionship (48) punctuation (49) line-breaks (50) consistency | magic eye (51) torque (52) Rainer Maria Rilke, 'Archaic Torso of Apollo' (53) dusk (54) mistaking as an opportunity for learning (55) shining bloody men (56) monosyllables (57) ambiguity (58) collocation (59) close-ness

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(4) concrete poetry, asemic poetry, Poem Brut (7) Tadeusz Różewicz, Gunnar Ekelöf (8) William Wordsworth, Tom Raworth, Tomaž Šalamun, Anselm Hollo, Allen Fisher, Maggie O'Sullivan (9) Henri Michaux, Phil Minton (11) Robert Rauschenberg (12) Franz Kafka, Fyodor Dostoevsky (13) Edward Lear (14) Dada, Surrealism, Eric Mottram, Bob Cobbing, 'The Movement' (15) Iain Sinclair, Conductors of Chaos; David Gascoyne; Rick Stein; Lewis Carroll; visual poetry; concrete poetry (16) sound poetry, aphasia (19) Sigmund Freud, Interpretation of Dreams (20) G.K. Chesterton; James Joyce; Gertrude Stein (21) Dada, Christian Morgenstern (22) Marcel Janco, Tristan Tzara, Hugo Ball; William Wordsworth; Lewis Carroll, 'Jabberwocky' (24) Friedrich Nietzsche (25) G. K. Chesterton, W. H. Auden (26) 'Cold Are the Crabs' (28) Vik Shirley, Chris Morris (31) Nihilism (32) sonnet; Stéphane Mallarmé, Un coup de dés (33) collaboration, SJ Fowler's Enemies and Camarade events (35) sestet, collocation (36) quatrain, tercet (37) Oli Hazzard (38) constraint (39) Veronica Forrest-Thomson, Poetic Artifice; form (40) Oulipo, generative poetry (42) close reading (43) page space; Anthony Etherin, Penteract Press, 'The Movement' (44) Jeff Hilson, The Reality Street Book of Sonnets (46) Paul Muldoon (47) Petrarch; Thomas Wyatt; Henry Howard, Earl of Surrey (49) 'craft' vs play (51) Walter Benjamin, poet as mulcher (53) Karl Marx, capitalist mode of production, socially-necessary labour time (54) National Poetry Day (56) Rorschach tests (57) ambiguity, cliché (58) play (1'02) John Ashbery, logical connectives, syntax (1'05) nectar (1'06) Lear's heaven, anti-hen prejudice (1'08) Mickey Rourke, Angel Heart (1'09) significantly female porcupine, I love a chicken; Thomas Byrom, Nonsense and Wonder; William Wordsworth, John Keats, Robert Burns, Thomas Gray, Matthew Arnold, Alfred Tennyson, Alexander Pope (1'10) Shakespeare, Hamlet, porpentines (1'13) hedgehogs (1'17) colour gamut (1'18) The Beatles, 'I Am The Walrus', Paul McCartney, (1'19) Lewis Carroll, 'The Walrus and the Carpenter'; Edward Lear, 'The Owl and the Pussycat', 'The Jumblies', assonance (1'20) mushy peas, (1'24) chiasmus (1'26) onomatopoeia (1'27) Lear predicts Zoom

Find the poem here: http://johnvernonlord.blogspot.com/2016/11/cold-are-crabs-edward-lear.html

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(1) Zeno Press (4) Writer's Forum | Cobbing & Upton, Word Score Utterance Choreography | Lawrence Upton | intermedia (5) Bob Cobbing | Jackson Mac Low (7) The Poetry Library | Mac Low, Thing of Beauty (8) concrete poetry (9) chance (10) lyric, the lyrical I (11) Mac Low, 'Phone' (12) chance vs 'spontaneous' writing | procedural poetry | found poetry (13) acrostic method (14) PennSound (15) conventional love poetry | unrealistic desire (18) WhatsApp messages (19) technological determinism (20) phatic language (21) structure, theme and variations (22) premises and argument (23) sonic composition vs semantic emphasis (24) visual elements, the page (25) artists' books (26) dialectics, sublation (29) exhaustion | accessibility (30) failure to communicate (31) the other (32) interference (34) performance choices (35) language breakdown | form & content (36) Veronica Forrest-Thomson, Poetic Artifice | surrealism, David Gascoyne | artifice, naturalisation (37) mimesis, the external world, Things (38) abstraction vs figuration (40) performance choices (41) smoker's wheeze (43) negation of self, anattā (44) hope (46) content | voice, subjectivity (47) J. S. Bach, Goldberg Variations (49) premises and argument (50) dialectics, sublation, churn, Karl Marx, contradiction (52) concrete poetry (53) fusional love (54) I hate the relationship between form & content | I'm super interested in the relationship between form & content (55) fitness, meaning (56) vulnerability (57) the other (58) Jacques Lacan, ‘il n’y a pas de rapport sexuel’ (‘there is no such thing as a sexual relationship’) (1969-70 seminar) (1'00) contradiction (1'01) Buddhism, acceptance, dialectics (1'02) making and letting be' (1'03) loving sound (1'06) telling somebody you love them

Jackson Mac Low performing 'Phone' on Public Access Poetry, Jan 1978: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLWujEmqwgM

For more info, see PennSound, http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/PAP.php