Artificial intelligence is reshaping the future of work, leadership and economic power. The question is whether women are shaping it too.

In this episode of the Penny Dee Podcast, I sit down with Dr Giselle Goodwin for a serious, respectful and thought provoking conversation about women and AI.

We come from different political perspectives.
We are genuinely curious about why we see the world differently.

Because the bigger issue is not left versus right.

It is whether women are prepared for the next economic shift.

We explore:

• Why women are adopting AI at lower rates
• Whether bias is embedded in algorithms and recruitment systems
• The redesign of work in the knowledge economy
• Emotional labour in an automated world
• Leadership, empathy and the corruption of power
• Confidence gaps, internalised misogyny and tall poppy syndrome
• Whether women should reform the table or build their own

This is not a debate for points.
It is a serious conversation about women's influence in the AI era.

If you care about women's independence, economic strength, leadership, modern feminism, and the future of work, this episode matters.

The future is being built in real time.

Are women shaping it?

QUOTE OF THE EPISODE

"Are we shaping the future, or watching it happen?"

CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION

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Episode Description:
This episode brings the extraordinary story of an ordinary woman to a new audience. Newcastle United fan Linzi Smith was banned from her football club and questioned under caution under the Malicious Communications Act for holding a lawful gender critical belief. There was no victim. No harm. And the complaint was made on behalf of someone who might be offended. Today her ban has been lifted and she tells the full story.
We also explore Linzi's separate High Court victory against Northumbria Police after she challenged their decision to march in full uniform at Newcastle Pride. The court ruled the Chief Constable acted unlawfully and breached the duty of impartiality.
This episode examines free speech, reality, courage and the importance of policing without fear or favour.

What You Will Learn in This Episode:
✔️ How a simple reality based belief led to a club ban
✔️ Why the police interviewed her under caution despite no victim
✔️ The role of Fair Cop in helping her challenge the process
✔️ How the complaint was made on behalf of a hypothetical person
✔️ The key steps that led to Newcastle United lifting the ban

Plus, We Discuss:
💡 Linzi's High Court case against Northumbria Police and why the ruling matters
💡 The rise of non crime hate incidents and what this means for free speech
💡 BBC bias concerns and the wider culture around gender identity
💡 Why offence is not evidence and cannot be treated as a crime

Quote of the Episode:
"Offence is not harm. Offence is not a crime. And no woman should be questioned under caution for a belief rooted in reality."

Resources Mentioned:

Free Speech Union
Fair Cop
High Court judgement on police impartiality
Coverage from national media - The Telegraph

Special Thanks to Our Sponsor:
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Part memoir, part manual and a powerful call for women to reclaim their happiness and their voice.
Available now on Amazon.

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🎙️ Triggernometry Fallout: What Real Difficult Conversations Sound Like – with Katy Jon Went

After the now-infamous Triggernometry episode with Deborah Frances-White (the Guilty Feminist) sparked widespread debate, this episode is the antidote. Penny Dee sits down with Katy Jon Went – speaker, writer, and veteran of difficult conversations – for a real, respectful, and unfiltered discussion about identity, belief, and backlash in today's divided world.

From confronting family dynamics to defending free speech, Katy brings a lifetime of experience to the table. No spin. No shutdowns. Just proper conversation.

👉 If you've ever felt stuck between staying silent and speaking your truth, this one's for you.

🎧 What You'll Learn:
✔️ How to approach controversial topics without confrontation
✔️ Why disagreement doesn't mean disrespect
✔️ How to deal with public backlash and online conflict
✔️ Why humour and curiosity still matter
✔️ The difference between "having a conversation" and delivering a lecture

Enjoyed this episode?
✅ Please subscribe and leave a 5-star review, and share with someone who needs to hear this. Every download helps us keep the mic on and the conversations honest.

🌐 Connect with Katy Jon Went:
Website: https://www.katyjon.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/katyjonwent

📚 Penny's Book: KWEENS: Happiness Decoded

Not your average self-help book. It's part memoir, part manual, part middle finger to the status quo.
Written by Penny Dee, it's the book you give your best mate… or your younger self.
Available now in paperback, Kindle, and Audible → Buy KWEENS on Amazon

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🕰️ Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction and Early Life
00:46 Navigating Identity and Family Dynamics
01:53 The Complexity of Conversations
03:39 Confrontation vs. Conversation
07:43 The Importance of Free Speech
11:27 Changing Beliefs and Open-Mindedness
18:47 Navigating Political and Social Nuances
32:50 Exploring Human Rights in Gender Debates
33:46 Finding Common Ground in Disagreements
34:41 Personal Experiences with Differing Opinions
35:56 The Importance of Open-Minded Conversations
37:26 Navigating Public Discourse and Backlash
44:53 The Role of Humor in Sensitive Topics
55:28 The Impact of Algorithms on Social Discourse
59:07 Encouraging Meaningful Conversations
01:01:38 Final Thoughts and Contact Information