What if the real lesson from this season is that you’re allowed to change your mind about your career?

In this episode, Shayla and Kate wrap up Season 2 of the Outlaws podcast, reflecting on the biggest themes across the season, from career change and career pivots to leaving corporate and redesigning work in a way that actually fits your life.

This season has been full of conversations with people who stepped off the expected path. Lawyers building careers that didn’t exist 10 years ago. Professionals walking away from corporate roles. People making bold shifts, and others making small, steady changes that led somewhere completely different.

What becomes clear is this, career change doesn’t always look like a dramatic leap. Sometimes it’s a pivot. Sometimes it’s a slow burn. And sometimes it starts with simply questioning whether the path you’re on still makes sense.

We talk about:

– Why some of the most interesting careers today didn’t exist a decade ago – What it really looks like to leave corporate, and what comes after – The difference between overthinking and actually being “not ready” – Why intuition is pattern recognition, not something mystical – The concept of burnout beyond long hours, including misalignment and moral injury – How small decisions, made consistently, can lead to big career shifts

Whether you’re thinking about a career change, curious about a career pivot, or quietly wondering if leaving corporate might be an option, this episode brings together the insights, stories and lessons from a season of people doing work differently.

In this episode – The top episodes of Season 2 and why they resonated – Lessons from guests who left traditional paths to build something new – Why “procrasti-learning” keeps people stuck in careers that don’t fit – The idea that there’s no perfect decision, only the one you make work – Real examples of redesigning work without burning everything down – Why career change is more possible, and more varied, than it seems

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Hosted and produced by Shayla Strapps and Kate Offer

In this Outlawbrary episode, Kate and Shayla discuss Mattering: The Secret to Building a Life of Deep Purpose and Connection by Jennifer Breheny Wallace and explore a deceptively simple idea: feeling valued and adding value is a fundamental human need.

From burnout and loneliness to leadership and workplace culture, they unpack why achievement alone isn’t enough and what happens when connection and contribution are missing.

They reflect on:

• Why “fine” might be the worst way to describe your job
• The link between burnout and a lack of mattering
• The tension between individual responsibility and broken systems
• Why self-care matters (and not just to make you more productive)
• The concept of “personal policies” and setting boundaries that stick
• How small, everyday acts of recognition make the biggest difference
• The risk of “mattering too much” — when everyone depends on you
• Competitive workplaces vs cultures of connection
• What great leadership looks like when people genuinely feel seen

Kate and Shayla also share personal stories from legal practice and leadership including what it feels like to truly matter at work, and what happens when you don’t.

This episode is a reminder that mattering isn’t about grand gestures or big achievements but built in the small, relational moments of everyday life.

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Hosted and produced by Shayla Strapps and Kate Offer

In this episode of Outlaws, Kate and Shayla sit down with Hollywood talent manager Rob Marsala—a former Perth lawyer who walked away from a traditional legal career to build a life in the entertainment industry.

Rob shares his unconventional journey from law school (which he admits he never really wanted to attend) to the mailroom at a major talent agency in Los Angeles—earning just $300 a week despite holding a law degree and an MBA.

What follows is a story of persistence, humility, and backing yourself—even when it means starting from the very bottom.

• Why Rob chose law (hint: it wasn’t passion)
• The moment he realised legal practice wasn’t for him
• Getting retrenched—and why it was the best thing that ever happened
• Moving to New York and completing an MBA in media management
• Starting over in Hollywood’s mailroom at 26
• The reality of “paying your dues” in a competitive industry
• How legal skills became a surprising advantage in entertainment

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Hosted and produced by Shayla Strapps and Kate Offer