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Today on the podcast I am joined by Viv Groskop - writer, podcaster and comedian.

Her podcast How to Own the Room has reached millions of downloads - and counts guests like Hilary Clinton, Margaret Atwood, and Sophie Ellis-Bextor, and is the biggest resource for public speaking in the world.

But she didn’t start as a public speaker. She was more known for her words than her voice, beginning as a journalist for publications like The Guardian and The Observer. She then ventured into the world of stand up comedy, taking on a crazy project project of 100 gigs in 100 days, all with 3 children under 6 - we talk about that today.

I wanted to talk to Viv as I am quickly realising that one of the most important things to do is to become better at speaking. It helps you confidently share what you care about in the world, and put yourself out there. So many of us hold back, and I love to coach people on this 1-1.

In this conversation, we’ll talk about how you can get better at public speaking, what encouraged Viv to take up comedy as a second career, the downsides of fame and parasocial relationships, why stand up comedy isn’t actually scary and lots lots more.

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An apology, rant, and note to my future self on the madness of putting pressure and guilt on creative projects that are designed to be fun.

I hope it is a good reminder to the many, many people I speak to who I know put on the same pressure.

Stop putting pressure on creativity. Find the joy, find the compassion and then find the consistency.

Next episode soon!

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Today on the podcast we have Franco Fubini, the founder of Natoora.

Natoora can be seen as a ‘premium greengrocer for the best produce’. They have direct relationships with farmers and offer some of the world's best seasonal produce. Working with over 2,000 of the world’s most influential chefs in restaurants in London, Paris, New York, Miami, Copenhagen, Malmö & Melbourne. They also offer their produce to taste-conscious home chefs, and have four London stores.

Natoora’s big-picture mission is to revolutionise the food system. Franco is also an adjunct Professor of Sustainability Management at Columbia university and the author of “In Search of the. Perfect Peach” his book which talks about food supply and why flavour is so key in our diet.

Natoora did not start on the side, but as a response to a life long passion and a decision that this thing needed to exist in the world.

I wanted to speak to Franco as this podcast is all about following your curiosities and passions and making them your life’s work - something Franco has done, but in a different way. In this episode we’ll talk about why the food system is so broken and what we can do about it, why he moved from finance to groceries and why a gnawing sense of dissatisfaction every four weeks at work drove him to make changes, and the surprising things he learnt from a lunch with the founder of Patagonia. I hope you enjoy!

P.S. We recorded this in their shop on an early morning in Bermondsey, surrounded by Radiccio and blood oranges. You can see some video footage from this morning on Out of Hours' Instagram. I’ve done what I can with the audio, but you might still hear some background sounds...

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