Open Source, Agents, and the Next AI Wave w/ Angie Jones

Recorded live at All Things Open, Robbie Wagner and guest co-host Jason Lengstorf talk with Angie Jones about AI, coding models, and the evolving landscape of open source. They unpack the importance of community-driven tooling, skill gaps in using AI, the future of agentic systems, and why open communities matter in shaping technology. In this episode: (00:00) - Intro(01:18) - Wine rating & review(03:30) - Hot Take: Claude vs ChatGPT(04:20) - Hot Take: Is HTML a programming language?(04:56) - Hot Take: Is CSS a programming language?(05:31) - Hot Take: Is AI to blame when people do dumb shit with it?(09:50) - How open source shaped Angie’s career(14:54) - The problem with AI training on open source data(23:02) - What is MCP and why does it matter?(25:10) - Using MCP when you don’t follow every part of the spec(26:25) - Are we building new walled gardens inside MCP?(31:16) - Building DevRel in a rapidly-changing AI landscape(36:06) - Conference season stress & preparing new talks(39:41) - Where to find Angie online Links Ep 175: Decentralized Identity: The Future of Privacy and Security with Angie Jones: https://whiskey.fm/decentralized-identity-the-future-of-privacy-and-security-with-angie-jonesBlock: https://block.xyz/MCP: https://modelcontextprotocol.io/Claude: https://claude.aiChatGPT: https://chatgpt.com/HTML: https://www.w3schools.com/html/CSS: https://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/All Things Open: https://allthingsopen.org/Microsoft: https://www.microsoft.com/GitHub: https://github.com/NPM: https://www.npmjs.com/GooseAI: https://goose.ai/Sam Altman: https://x.com/samaPeter Thiel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_ThielMarc Andreessen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_AndreessenAnthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/Ember: https://emberjs.com/YouTube: https://www.youtube.comKent C. Dodds: https://kentcdodds.com/Chrome: https://www.google.com/chrome/Safari: https://www.apple.com/safari/Cursor: https://www.cursor.com/DevRelCon: https://developerrelations.com/devrelcon/devrelcon-new-york-2025/Angie's keynote at DevRelCon: https://developerrelations.com/talks/devrels-biggest-stage-yet/ Connect with Jason Website: https://jason.energy/X / Twitter: https://x.com/jlengstorf Connect with Angie Website: https://angiejones.techX / Twitter: https://x.com/techgirl1908 Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieTheWagnerChuck Carpenter: https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rdAdam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fmApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDfOvercast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot MerchEnjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.