In this emotional episode of Never Been Sicker, Michael Rubino sits down with Dave and Sandi, a couple whose lives were completely upended by mold exposure and the systemic failures that followed. What began as hope for healing three years ago has spiraled into continued housing instability, financial devastation, worsening health, and deep emotional loss.

Dave and Sandi share their harrowing journey—three failed mold remediations, being gaslit by professionals, forced to sell their home for a loss, and experiencing homelessness not once, but twice. Their children have suffered lasting health issues, and the family has struggled to recover physically, emotionally, and financially.

Together, they expose the deep cracks in the system: mold remediation gone wrong, a lack of regulation and oversight, rental properties with persistent mold issues, doctors who dismiss mold illness, and insurance policies that deny support. They also speak candidly about the stigma, shame, and isolation that come with mold illness—and the desperate need for change.

Through their vulnerability, Dave and Sandi offer not only a powerful warning but a call to action: better education, industry accountability, legislation, and community support for those affected by mold-related illness.

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Key Highlights:
Forced to sell their mold-infested home at a major loss
Multiple failed remediations worsened their health and finances
Ongoing symptoms in their children from long-term exposure
Struggled with unemployment, homelessness, and stigma
Urgent call for reform in remediation, healthcare, and housing

Episode Timestamps
00:00 – Intro + Catching up after 3 years
01:00 – Initial hope after moving into a mold-free rental
03:30 – Legal battle and first signs of long-term effects
05:50 – Selling their home & emotional/financial fallout
08:40 – Ongoing rental struggles & recurring mold exposure
11:55 – Lessons learned + standing firm in their truth
14:10 – Do they regret leaving the home? Reflections
16:25 – Lasting impact on their children’s health
18:50 – Lack of awareness in community and government
22:15 – Contractor failures & lack of regulation
24:50 – Link between mold, inflammation & chronic illness
27:30 – Economic cost vs. public mold support programs
30:45 – Mold in military housing & schools
34:40 – Why the U.S. is uniquely vulnerable to mold
36:05 – Mold stigma, gaslighting, and growing sensitivity
39:45 – The need for education, policy change, and support
44:30 – Impact on career and social life due to mold
50:30 – How the community can help + GoFundMe discussion
54:50 – Living on the edge: lease ending, no safety net
58:45 – Dave’s professional background & job search challenges
1:03:15 – Final reflections + staying hopeful through hardship
1:06:30 – Parenting through mold trauma & lost milestones
1:10:30 – Looking ahead: turning pain into purpose
1:12:30 – Closing remarks + GoFundMe reminder

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What does it actually look like to go through a mold remediation—start to finish? In this episode of Never Been Sicker, Michael sits down with Kathleen LeGrys, a HomeCleanse client, to share her firsthand experience navigating chronic illness, discovering hidden mold in her home, and going through the full inspection and remediation process with HomeCleanse.

After struggling for years with Lyme, Bartonella, and Myasthenia Gravis, Kathleen was still not improving as expected. Eventually, high mycotoxin levels led her functional medicine doctor to suspect mold exposure—and that kicked off a journey most people never expect to take.

Kathleen walks us through:
- The early overwhelm of discovering mold and deciding where to start
- Why she chose to remediate her home in phases (and how she budgeted for it)
- What she did before remediation to reduce exposure (including air purifiers and open windows)
- How her lab markers improved just from lowering dust and airborne toxins
- What she replaced in her home—and how she tested items like bedding and furniture to decide what to toss
- The emotional, physical, and financial toll of the process—and why she has zero regrets

If you’ve ever felt overwhelmed by mold, toxins, or chronic symptoms—this is a must-listen success story.

00:00 Introduction to Mold and Health Challenges
02:50 Kathleen's Journey with Mold and Health
06:00 Testing for Mold: Dust Tests vs. Mold Dogs
09:11 Understanding Mycotoxins and Health Correlation
11:45 The Cost of Mold Inspection and Remediation
14:50 Mental Challenges in Addressing Mold Issues
17:54 The Remediation Process: Logistics and Challenges
21:08 Post-Remediation: Rebuilding and Testing
23:58 Living with Mold: Interim Solutions
27:06 The Importance of Replacing Contaminated Items
30:00 Addressing Misconceptions About Mold
33:56 Historical Perspectives on Mold Remediation
35:51 Insurance Challenges and Mold Coverage
37:32 Societal Perceptions of Mold and Health
39:58 Understanding Mold Exposure and Symptoms
46:12 The Prevalence of Mold in Homes
49:57 Personal Experiences with Mold Remediation
54:46 Advice for Those Facing Mold Issues

🎙 Guest: Kathleen LeGrys (@kathleenlegrys)
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Brendan Vermeire, FMHP opens with a powerful assessment: Americans are sicker than ever, weighed down by lifestyle-related illness, toxic overload, and chronic stress. He stresses mindset—victim vs. victor mentality—as the pivotal factor in healing, followed closely by consistent exercise. We then explore the hidden burden of environmental toxins (glyphosate, EMFs, mold, VOCs, microplastics, PFAS) that erode hormonal balance, metabolism, and immunity. Brendan argues that while pharmaceuticals like Ozempic have a role, they must be used within the context of proper nutrition, movement, and psychological resilience. Finally, he pitches his new “Mastering Mold Illness” course and textbook—designed to train practitioners and help more people reclaim their lives.

00:00 – 01:00 | Brendan agrees: “The American collective has never been more compromised.”
01:00 – 03:00 | Lifestyle-induced illness: 88% metabolically ill, 70% overweight—“It's staggering.”
03:11 – 05:00 | Mindset matters: “Victim or Victor, it’s your choice.”
05:15 – 06:30 | Power of resilience: “Placebo‑nocebo... do I believe I can heal?”
09:36 – 10:07 | Exercise wins: “What type of movement do you enjoy?”
14:19 – 16:31 | Toxic environment: “We ingest, breathe, drink… this toxic soup.”
20:05 – 21:03 | Hormones + peptides: “Can move the needle fastest with quality of life.”
32:34 – 35:02 | Blood chemistry: “People who apply themselves in the gym get better results.”
36:14 – 38:36 | Ozempic nuance: “Minimum effective dose is always a good way to go.”
40:06 – 41:35 | Course launch: “Mastering Mold Illness” and accompanying textbook.

🔵 Connect with Brendan
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