In this episode of the Never Again podcast, Dr. Pius Kamau speaks with Marge Taniwaki, an activist and survivor of the Japanese internment camps during World War II. She describes what it was like growing up behind barbed wire and the conditions of the internment camp. Marge shares about her family's unique history going from diplomats to detainees. Through the lens of her personal experiences, Marge reflects on the broader implications of such historical injustices and draws parallels to contemporary issues of racial discrimination and the intergenerational trauma for Japanese Americans

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Explore the complex journey from prejudice to atrocity as we delve into Dr. Gregory Stanton's 10 stages of genocide. Drawing from historical examples, illuminating how societal divisions that can escalate into unimaginable horrors. Gain insights into spotting early warning signs, preventing progression, and fostering unity. Understand why awareness and critical thinking are vital in challenging dangerous dynamics in everyday life.

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In this episode, Dr. Pius Kamau, Linda Farb (CoAGG immediate past board chair) and John Krieger board members of The Coalition Against Global Genocide, engage in a thought-provoking conversation that weaves through complex themes like humanity's dual nature, the importance of storytelling, and how global connectivity provides both challenges and opportunities in preventing genocide. They explore the multifaceted concept of genocide and how society can address these issues through education, advocacy, and compassionate discourse. Together they highlight the Coalition Against Global Genocide's efforts and the importance of international cooperation in fostering a more informed, empathetic world.

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Dr. Pius Kamau speaks with Nicole Asarch, a seasoned businesswoman, humanitarian worker and world traveler, who shares her experiences visiting sites of historical atrocities, including Rwanda and Cambodia. Her work has taken her to genocide sites around the world, leaving an indelible mark on her worldview. The conversation examines the dynamics of compassion in the face of historical atrocities and explores the complexities of human nature, from darkness to light, and how societies can move forward towards collective healing and understanding.

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Dr. Pius Kamau hosts Dr. Jack Sigman, a scholar in Holocaust and Genocide Studies, to explore the complex history and current plight of the Uyghurs in China. They discuss China's assimilation policies, racial prejudice, and accusations of genocide against the Uyghur people. The broader implications of international responses and the ineffectiveness of sanctions are examined. This episode delves into global geopolitics and human rights challenges, offering listeners a detailed understanding of a pressing international issue.

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Key Takeaways:

• The Uyghur population in Xinjiang has undergone significant cultural and political suppression, exacerbated after the 9/11 attacks due to China labeling the Uyghur independence movement as terrorism.
• The historical backdrop of the region, marked by previous Chinese and Soviet influences, plays a crucial role in understanding current tensions and the push for assimilation by the Chinese government.
• Systematic efforts by the Chinese state to impose cultural and political conformity on the Uyghurs are often perceived as acts of cultural genocide, with contentious practices like compulsory sterilizations being highlighted.
• International reactions to the situation in Xinjiang are mixed; while some states voice strong opposition, others continue to support China's policies due to economic dependencies.
• The complexity of labeling these human rights violations as genocide underlines the challenges faced by international bodies in addressing and intervening in such global issues.

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Dr. Pius Kamau Speaks with Marion Goldstein, who shares her family's harrowing journey from Nazi Germany to Shanghai during the Holocaust, offering insight into the personal struggles and resilience that defined their lives. She recounts her parents' escape on a Japanese ship, life in a Japan-Occupied Chinese internment camp, and their ultimate migration to the United States. Touching upon historical events such as Kristallnacht or "The Night of Broken Glass" and personal memories from her childhood, Marion provides a poignant reflection on the impact of global atrocities while emphasizing the importance of preserving these stories for future generations.

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Key Takeaways:

• Marion's Family Journey: Marion Goldstein's parents fled Germany in 1938, taking refuge in Shanghai due to its open-door policy for Jews without passports.
• Life in Internment: Marion describes her childhood experiences within a Japanese-controlled internment camp in Shanghai, highlighting the severe hardships faced.
• Resilience and Resettlement: Post-war, Marion's family managed to immigrate to the USA despite initial setbacks, reflecting on the struggle and resilience needed for a fresh start.
• Historical Education: Marion is committed to educating future generations about the Holocaust, emphasizing the importance of remembering personal and historical stories.
• Contemporary Reflections: The episode draws parallels between historical persecution and modern-day socio-political challenges, advocating for continued awareness and education.

Notable Quotes:

"Because Shanghai was the only place that would allow people in without a passport or a ticket basically, to get in."

"Life in Shanghai was very good, but once the Japanese invaded China, things went badly very quickly."

"They put the Jews and others...in an internment camp...and life was just terrible in the camp."

"I try to keep it alive for my children. I mean, it's similar as to the Black experience that took place in very many ways."

"This so good country needs to be fought for."

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Dr. Pius Kamau engages with Rwandan-American Furah Chantal, exploring her harrowing memories of surviving the Rwandan genocide. They discuss Rwanda's transition from unity to division, the profound impact on women, and the enduring trauma faced by survivors. Furah shares heart-wrenching insights into her family's loss and emphasizes the ongoing need for healing and support. Through her story, Furah advocates for empathy, healing, and the importance of remembering shared humanity.

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Key Takeaways:

• Survivors of the Rwandan genocide, like Furah Chantal, faced unimaginable loss but continue to show resilience and drive to overcome trauma.
• The genocide's lead-up involved a cultural shift where ethnic identities were harshly highlighted, leading to the eventual collapse of societal bonds.
• Women bore unique and prolonged suffering during and after the genocide, often being subjected to sexual violence and subsequent stigmatization.
• Healing and support for genocide survivors can stem from community engagement, dialogue, and practical aid, including material and emotional support.
• Furah Chantal highlights the importance of not only international awareness but also grassroots action, using resources and advocacy to support affected communities.

Notable Quotes:

"Before genocide, it was like a family. Everyone was family with gathering all the time."

"When people talk, they don't talk Kihutu or Ki Tutsi; they talk Kinyarwanda, the same language."

"Forgive me, do whatever you want, but don't kill me, don't do this to me."

"It's better to let it go. Don't keep it inside, the more we keep it inside, it's destroying you."

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While No One Was Watching is a series that uncovers the hidden histories behind some of the world’s most devastating genocides and conflicts. Through deep research and compelling storytelling by subject matter experts and survivors, we explore the moments that led to these tragedies, the warning signs that went unheeded, and the voices of those who witnessed history unfold. By shining a light on the past, we seek to understand how such atrocities occur and how we can prevent them from happening again.

Peter Van Arsdale, anthropologist and board member of the Coalition Against Global Genocide, joins Dr. Pius Kamau to explore the complex history and ongoing challenges in Sudan and South Sudan.

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Key Takeaways:

• The evolution of South Sudan has been mired in civil unrest, primarily stemming from leadership struggles and ethnic divides between the Dinka and Nuer factions.
• Despite South Sudan's rich oil resources, economic collapse is exacerbated by corruption and political instability, undermining sustainable development efforts.
• Several organizations, including NGOs and diaspora communities, persistently strive to promote peace and grassroots development in South Sudan despite formidable challenges.
• The African Union and United Nations have potential roles in fostering peace and development, although more proactive engagement is needed to effectuate meaningful change.
• The involvement of notable figures such as George Clooney and John Prendergast through initiatives like "Enough" highlights international efforts to combat kleptocracy and promote accountability.

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