In this episode of Leadership Story Talks, hosts Jerome Deroy and Julienne Ryan speak with Gabrielle Dolan—one of the world’s leading authorities on business storytelling, keynote speaker, and author of nine books including her newest release, Story Intelligence: The Craft of Authentic Storytelling Made Smarter with AI.

Gabrielle shares the pivotal “sliding door” moment that transformed her career—from a 17-year tenure at National Australia Bank to launching her own storytelling practice long before it became a buzzword. Through humor and insight, she reflects on two decades of helping leaders move from folded arms to open minds when it comes to storytelling—and how AI is reshaping that conversation today.

In Story Intelligence, Gabrielle explores how we can harness AI as a creative collaborator without losing the human heart of storytelling. She shares an experiment comparing AI-generated stories to human ones, revealing that while AI delivers clarity, it lacks authenticity—the emotional resonance that connects people.

You’ll Hear:

The Power of Rejection – How a missed promotion became the spark that launched a global storytelling career

From Trend to Transformation – What’s changed in 20 years of helping leaders tell stories that stick

When AI “Almost” Gets It Right – What Gabrielle learned from testing human vs. AI-generated stories

Authenticity as the X-Factor – Why audiences can sense when a story isn’t truly lived or felt

Story Intelligence Defined – A new framework for using authentic stories to connect, engage, and inspire

Whether you’re a leader curious about how to balance technology with truth, or a communicator looking to tell more human stories in a digital age, this conversation reminds us that the future of storytelling isn’t artificial—it’s deeply, powerfully human.

Resources

Website: gabrielledolan.com

Free Storytelling Starter Kit: gabrielledolan.com/starterkit

Books: gabrielledolan.com/books

LinkedIn: Gabrielle Dolan

Instagram: @gabrielledolan.1

YouTube: Gabrielle Dolan Consulting

Podcast: Keeping It Real with Jac and Ral

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"Be ready to be ready." — Jen Mueller

In this debrief, Jerome and Julienne unpack lessons from Jen Mueller’s world of sports broadcasting—where seconds matter and every word counts. They explore how Jen’s approach to preparation, precision, and presence applies far beyond the sidelines, offering leaders a model for communicating clearly and engaging others under pressure.

What begins as a story about post-game interviews becomes a reflection on what great meetings, coaching moments, and conversations have in common: thoughtful preparation, shared airtime, and genuine listening.

You’ll Hear:
– Preparation Creates Freedom – How doing your homework allows you to be more spontaneous and responsive in the moment.
– Make Time Your Friend – Why embracing time constraints can foster safety, inclusion, and sharper dialogue.
– Curate, Don’t Cram – The value of saying only what matters—and leaving space for others to contribute.
– Engaging Every Voice – How intentional facilitation helps quieter participants feel seen and heard.

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Jerome Deroy and Julienne Ryan sit down with Dr. Anja Timmermann—historian, communication scientist, journalist, and founder of the Storytelling Symposium in Germany. With a background spanning academia, media, and neuroscience, Dr. Timmermann brings a rich, evidence-based perspective to how humans share knowledge, build connection, and lead through story.

She begins with a vivid moment of culture shock—standing in a Manhattan bus line, a stranger in a city of millions—only to be folded into community by a handful of New Yorkers offering quarters for her fare. That small act of generosity became a lifelong metaphor: storytelling as the bridge between isolation and belonging.

You’ll Hear:

• Belonging Through Story – How a simple New York bus encounter revealed storytelling’s power to create instant community.
• From Facts to Connection – Why storytelling doesn’t distort data—it contextualizes it, allowing truth to be felt as well as known.
• Building the Storytelling Symposium – A global gathering where researchers, educators, and practitioners bring narrative competence into serious professional practice.
• The START Framework – Anja’s adaptation of the STAR model (Situation, Task, Action, Result + Transfer) to help experts translate complexity into clarity.
• Working with Scientists – How she helps data-driven minds see that story is not a compromise of accuracy, but an expansion of understanding.
• Listen Before You Tell – Why the most powerful storytellers are also great listeners—because connection starts with curiosity.

Resources

• Dr. Anja Timmermann on LinkedIn
• Storytelling Symposium: Find out more and register for the 2025 edition!
• The storytelling-symposium.de
• Website
• LinkedIn
• Instagram
• Youtube
• Symposium on LinkedIn
• Symposium on Youtube

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Lead With Your Story (self-paced, on-demand course)
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