Sanam probably says it best when she introduces herself as a survivor of war, migration, cancer and divorce. Sanam, a family services practitioner talks about her own rich lived experience of life and motherhood as well as the learning and connection she gets from others.

Grounded in her faith. She talks about raising kids across cultures, and leading with her values.

This reflective conversation with Sanam was a joy for us and we are pleased to have been able to squeeze it into season 1 as a BONUS!

In this episode, Charlie and Mike reflect on the podcast, what they had originally hoped to get out of it and the direction it took. If you are reading this and you have listened. Thank you!

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And do keep an ear out for our BONUS Interview encore!

To mum or not to mum, that is the question. Mary Robb reflects on her pathway to becoming a mum and the 'sliding doors' moment of her early 20's.

This conversation explores the idea of identity. When your role as mother defines how others see you, how do you hold space for your individuality?

Mary talks about how she had to 'go her own way' to pursue a passion for social justice and raise a family. As the Associate Director of Indigenous Partnerships at The University of Melbourne and mother of three remarkable women, her own way seems to have turned out preeeetttty good. Not to mention picking up one helluva son-in-law along the way.