Episodios

  • Rich and Tim take on the top three myths in child protection work
    May 2 2025

    In this episode of Messy Social Work, Tim Fisher and Rich Devine explore the complexities of child protection social work.


    They discuss the myths surrounding the profession, the importance of relationships, and the challenges social workers face in balancing their roles. Rich shares insights from his book, addressing misconceptions about the ability of social workers to keep children safe and happy, and emphasizes the significance of understanding the process over the outcome in social work. The conversation highlights the emotional and ethical dimensions of the profession, encouraging a deeper reflection on the nature of social work and its impact on families.

    Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/

    Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme

    Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/

    Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/

    Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-devine-181763177/

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    39 m
  • Rich and Tim introduce 'Messy Social Work' and discuss Rich's blog on reasons for not being a manager
    Apr 25 2025

    In this episode of the newly named podcast, Rich and Tim discuss Rich's blog; 15 Years in Social Work – And 4 Reasons I am Still Not a Manager.

    Rich qualified as a social worker 15 years ago and has never held a management role. This has been a deliberate choice. He has remained working directly with children and families.

    There are four key reasons why Rich and Tim unpack.

    1. Relationships
    2. I haven't stopped learning
    3. Leadership isn't determined by job role
    4. Practice experience cultivates wisdom

    Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/

    Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme

    Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/

    Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/

    Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-devine-181763177/





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    40 m
  • Poverty and intersectionality
    Apr 18 2025

    In this episode, we interview Professor Anna Gupta about her early experiences as a social worker, her transition into academia, and her important work on poverty and intersectionality in the context of child protection.

    We explore:

    - The social model

    - intersectionality

    - The role of poverty in child abuse and neglect

    - The capabilities approach

    Here is the link to the powerful Archie Roach song ‘They took the children away’ that Anna discussed during the podcast.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL_DBNkkcSE&list=RDIL_DBNkkcSE&start_radio=1&rv=IL_DBNkkcSE

    Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/

    Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme

    Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/

    Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/

    Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-devine-181763177/


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    51 m
  • Rich and Tom on how to find meaning in life
    Apr 11 2025

    In this episode of the Relational Activism in Social Work podcast, asides Tim's nice hair and the clay....

    Tim Fisher FRSA and Richard Devine discuss the powerful insights from James Hollis' Finding Meaning in the Second Half of Life. They explore the challenges of midlife, from the loss of purpose in previously fulfilling careers to the struggle between ego and soul. Rich shares his personal experience of re-evaluating his life's work, shedding light on embracing change and finding true meaning. A good listen for those navigating personal or professional transitions.

    Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/

    Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme

    Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/

    Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/

    Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-devine-181763177/

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    44 m
  • Community and Connection
    Apr 4 2025

    In this episode, we interview Jamie Spencer, who holds the position of 'Head of Insight, Quality, Financial Services, and Digital for Camden Adult Social Care'. However, don't let that job title deter you from listening, as Jamie has had a fascinating journey through social care from support worker to senior leader and has been at the forefront of driving change at Camden Council.

    We had some slight technical issues, so please forgive our post editing and stitching together of this conversation.

    Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/

    Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme

    Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/

    Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/

    Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-devine-181763177/

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    43 m
  • Safety and belonging in child protection
    Mar 28 2025

    In this episode, we speak to Professor Andrew Turnell, co-creator of Signs of Safety. In January 2023, he received the Member of the Order of Australia award for his sustained and innovative contributions to child protection social work. Andrew is internationally renowned for his ground-breaking work in developing safety-organized, solution-focused, and systemic approaches to statutory child protection practice and organisation. He has published extensively on the Signs of Safety, the Resolutions approach to ‘denied’ child abuse, and applying solution-focused practice to complex cases of torture, abuse, and violence.

    Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/

    Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme

    Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/

    Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/

    Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-devine-181763177/


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    1 h y 13 m
  • How to change the system
    Mar 21 2025

    Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/

    Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme

    Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/

    Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/

    Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-devine-181763177/

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    53 m
  • Reflections on the Silent Retreat (Bonus episode)
    Mar 19 2025

    Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/

    Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme

    Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/

    Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/

    Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-devine-181763177/

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    26 m
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