Cláudio Carvalhaes, a brilliant earth thinker, theologian, liturgist, performer and artist, joins Neal Christie for a conversation about his latest book, "How Do We Become Green People and Earth Communities?" 

Buy Claudio's book here: https://tinyurl.com/5ffxp4np

Claudio's website is here: https://www.claudiocarvalhaes.com/

Don't miss this enlightening conversation between two great minds (Claudio and Neal, I mean!) about the church, the future, and the way worship can bring us into harmony with creation.

My guest is Rev. Allison Mark, senior pastor of Faith United Methodist Church in Torrence, CA. Allison details her experiences in leadership, her struggles, and candidly shares her thoughts about the future of the denomination.

In his recent Religion News Service article, Jacob Lupfer writes about the divisions in the United Methodist Church, "In any ecclesial conflict there are non-combatants who don’t really understand what all the fighting is about. But in this case particularly, the muddling Methodist middle that has historically tempered the impulses of extremists is indifferent to the impending schism. Most laity and many clergy are not nearly so invested in moving the Methodist divorce along as those at the extremes."

Jacob and I talk about his article and the distinct possibility that the impending split in the UMC may not unfold as many predict.