As a criminal defense attorney, David sometimes gets confronted by people questioning the role of defending people who are (in many cases) guilty of the crimes of which they are accused. In this episode, David is joined by prominent defense attorney Dan Ross, known for his courtroom tactics and strong beliefs, to discuss what motivates them to pursue this profession, why it is important for our society, and why all of us may one day find ourselves in need of a defense attorney.

Tricia Rojo Bushnell joins David to discuss her work with the Innocence Project, fighting for those who have been wrongfully convicted. Together, they explore the difference between defending someone at trial and trying to overturn a conviction after the fact, and what that gap reveals about our justice system. Their conversation digs into the deeper question: why is it so hard for us, as individuals and as a society, to admit we have been wrong?

All parents make mistakes, but admitting them to their children or finding the way back into a strained relationship is often challenging. Sabrena Morgan became addicted to Methamphetamines during a custody battle for her daughter Lily, only to lose contact with her daughter entirely when she was sent to prison for a drug conspiracy. Now closer than ever, Sabrena and Lily join David on this episode to discuss their crazy experiences and how their relationship survived extreme challenges.