In this episode of Leave Us Alone, Grover Norquist sits down with former U.S. Senator Phil Gramm for a wide-ranging conversation on tax policy, economic growth, and the role of government in shaping economic outcomes.

The discussion spans the stagflation and economic crisis of the late 1970s, Gramm's role in passing the Reagan tax cuts, and the long-term effects of those reforms on inflation, growth, and opportunity. The episode also examines welfare spending, poverty statistics, and claims about economic inequality.

Gramm explains how government benefits are often excluded from official income measurements, why those accounting choices matter, and how they influence debates over taxes, spending, and federal policy.

The conversation concludes with a look at state-level tax reforms and why fiscal discipline and honest measurement remain central to long-term economic growth.

On this episode of Leave Us Alone, Grover Norquist is joined by Mike Palicz and Isabelle Marchese to break down one of the most consequential votes of this Congress.

Seventeen House Republicans joined with ALL Congressional Democrats to pass a clean three-year extension of enhanced Obamacare subsidies. The panel explains how this vote expands Obamacare, masks its rising costs, and knowingly continues a program riddled with fraud and improper payments.

They discuss the real cost of the subsidies, the political maneuvering behind the discharge petition, the failure to include any reforms or anti-fraud measures, and what this vote means as the bill heads to the Senate. The episode closes with a broader discussion of Republican principles, political accountability, and the pro-growth tax reforms already delivering higher wages and larger tax refunds.

The Taxpayer Protection Pledge is a written commitment taken by candidates and elected officials promising never to raise taxes.

In this episode, Grover Norquist explains why the pledge was created, who signs it, and how it changed incentives for politicians at every level of government. From the 1986 Tax Reform Act to presidential campaigns and state tax reform, the pledge became a clear contract between officeholders and taxpayers.

By forcing politicians to control their own vote rather than rely on vague promises, the Taxpayer Protection Pledge reshaped elections, restrained tax hikes, and helped define which party voters could trust on taxes.