Cary Schmidt is joined by Andrew Browning to discuss the often-overlooked tension between faithfully explaining the Bible and helping people apply it meaningfully to their lives. They explore what it means to grow in gospel-shaped application—not just giving listeners a to-do list, but pointing them to the Person and work of Jesus as the true source of lasting transformation. Through honest reflections and practical strategies, they urge preachers to rely on the Holy Spirit, craft application that inspires rather than burdens, and guide people to live out their faith from a place of grace, not guilt.

In Part 2, Cary and Kurt continue their conversation on relational loss in ministry, this time focusing on gospel-shaped responses. Drawing from David’s experience with Saul, they discuss how to process betrayal, walk through grief, and move forward in faith. They encourage pastors and ministry leaders to respond with grace, forgive without expecting anything in return, and trust God’s sovereign work even in the midst of personal hurt. Find practical counsel, biblical insights, and hope for those navigating emotional pain from canceled friendships or ministry relationships.

Cary Schmidt and Kurt Skelly dive into the difficult experience of “getting ghosted” in gospel ministry, where friendships or ministry relationships abruptly end without closure or explanation. They explore both internal ghosting (within the church) and external ghosting (among ministry colleagues), highlighting the confusion, pain, and disillusionment that often follow. This episode encourages pastors and leaders to process the experience biblically, avoid bitterness, and lean into grace. Join us for part 2 where they will discuss how the gospel provides a framework for responding to ghosting in a Christlike manner.