🎧 Leadership Rules with Scott Martin
Title: Success Isn’t the Goal. Flourishing Is.

What if the goal of school wasn’t just success… but flourishing?

In this episode of Leadership Rules, Nick and Marnie sit down with Dr. Scott Martin, Executive Director of the Odyssey Leadership Academy, to talk about how leadership can create environments where both students and educators truly thrive.

Scott believes that leadership is both art and science, and that great leaders carry a deep responsibility to care for the people in their community. He also challenges many traditional assumptions about school, including grades, agency, and what real learning looks like.

In this conversation, we explore:

• The difference between leadership and management
• Why the leader sets the “nervous system” of an organization
• How flourishing can become a school’s North Star
• What happens when students are given real agency in their learning
• Why resilience grows when students create learning instead of just consuming it

Scott also shares how Odyssey Leadership Academy empowers students to design projects, teach classes, and even build real-world solutions like a student-built tiny home.

If you care about leadership, education, and building cultures where people thrive, this episode will challenge the way you think about success.

📍 Learn more about Odyssey Leadership Academy
https://OdysseyLeadershipAcademy.org

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🎧 Leadership Rules with EJ Carrion
Title: Think in Decades, Not Days

What does it mean to lead in a world where students are living three lives at once?

Personal life.
School life.
Phone life.

In this high energy conversation, EJ Carrion challenges us to rethink education, leadership, and what it means to prepare young people for a future that looks nothing like the past.

EJ is the co founder of Student Success Agency, a first generation college graduate, Gates Millennium Scholar, and someone who believes schools must evolve from Blockbuster to Netflix if they want to stay relevant.

In this episode, we talk about:

• Why the phone is not just a distraction but a door
• What a “digital YMCA” could look like for students
• How to build agency in young people
• Why leadership is art, not science
• What it means to be a pirate ship leader instead of the Navy
• And why selflessness is compound interest

EJ also shares three principles that guide his leadership:

Think in decades instead of days
Selflessness is compound interest
Choose we instead of me

If you care about student success, digital culture, human connection, or the future of public education, this one will stretch your thinking.

📍 Connect with EJ Carrion
LinkedIn → EJ Carrion

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🎧 New Episode: Leadership Rules with Dr. Doan Winkel
Title: Say No More Often

What does it take to be a bold, curious, values-driven leader in today’s world of education and entrepreneurship?

Dr. Doan Winkel joins Marnie and Nick for a powerful conversation about disrupting the status quo, helping students find their voice, and saying no to anything that doesn’t serve your mission.

In this episode, we explore:

✅ Why "titleless" leadership might be the most powerful kind
✅ How higher ed trains students to wait for permission
✅ How AI can free teachers to focus on what really matters
✅ What tiny acts of courage do to build momentum
✅ And why authenticity is the new authority

If you’ve ever wanted to lead with more clarity, curiosity, and purpose — this one’s for you.

📍 Connect with Doan Winkel
LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/doanwinkel/

Substack → https://howtoteachwithai.substack.com/

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