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In this episode of Leadership Conversations, Jonno White sits down with Michelle Anne Saunderson, business coach, ex-police officer, co-founder of Those Two Sisters, and passionate advocate for women redefining success.

Michelle opens up about her courageous leap from a 23-year policing career to building a heart-centered business supporting high-achieving women. After being forced to leave her role during the pandemic, Michelle rebuilt her life from scratch, leaning into her intuition, feminine leadership, and an unshakable belief in purpose.

She shares her raw journey of:
🔹 Crying every night in her early career and staying out of sheer determination
🔹 Dealing with poor leadership, learning to set boundaries, and becoming a respected sergeant
🔹 Starting a business with her sister and leading transformative retreats for women
🔹 Teaching entrepreneurs how to shift from chaos and burnout to alignment and fulfillment
🔹 Building community and helping women take off the mask and “cut the crap”

This conversation is full of real talk about leadership, feminine embodiment, overcoming burnout, and redefining what it means to be “rich.” Whether you’re in a career pivot, building a business, or looking for authentic leadership inspiration—this episode will move and motivate you.

Tune in now to hear Michelle’s powerful story and leadership insights!

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In this episode of Leadership Conversations, Jonno White sits down with Olli-Pekka Heinonen, Director General of the International Baccalaureate (IB), to explore what it takes to lead a truly global education organization serving over two million students across 160 countries.

Olli-Pekka reflects on his journey from a rural Finnish village to international leadership—sharing powerful lessons shaped by music, complexity thinking, and servant-hearted leadership. With deep humility, he unpacks the importance of curiosity, collaboration, and listening in today’s complex world.

He also dives into:
🔹 Why leadership starts with unknowing, not knowing
🔹 The power of holding space instead of giving orders
🔹 How orchestras taught him to understand non-verbal leadership and intelligence
🔹 Why strategy and change must be co-created—not dictated
🔹 How to shift from hierarchy to trust and psychological safety

This conversation is a masterclass in leading with vision, humility, and systems-thinking—especially relevant for leaders navigating change, culture, and global complexity.

Tune in now to hear Olli-Pekka Heinonen’s incredible leadership insights and timeless wisdom.

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In this episode of Leadership Conversations, Jonno White sits down with Frances Scadden, the CEO of Community Care Options, to explore what it means to lead with empathy, vision, and authenticity.

With a background in health, community, and disability services, Frances opens up about her personal leadership evolution—from self-doubt to clarity—while managing a team of 90 and navigating complex challenges in the nonprofit space. She shares candid stories of professional growth, the mentors who shaped her, and how servant leadership became her compass.

Listen in as Frances unpacks:
🔹 The power of leading by example and trusting your team
🔹 How journaling and spiritual values guide her leadership decisions
🔹 The importance of a healthy leadership culture and vulnerability
🔹 Why asking for help is a sign of strength, not weakness
🔹 How reflection, intention, and accountability drive positive change

This is a must-listen episode for anyone passionate about leading with purpose in the human services sector—or any organization that puts people first.