When something isn't working inside an organization, the instinct is to find a better tool. A new platform, a new system, a new application that promises better collaboration and faster execution. It's a reasonable instinct. And it almost always backfires.

Technology is an amplifier. It makes healthy organizations more efficient and struggling organizations more broken. The problem is never really the tool. The problem is the operating system you're installing it on.

In this episode, recorded live during the Rising book launch event, Steve walks through why technology implementations so often fail to solve the problems they were meant to fix, and what leaders need to examine before they implement anything new. He then introduces the organizational operating system that sits underneath every initiative, every tool, and every culture conversation: identity, goals, people, rhythms, and systems, all working together or quietly working against each other.

This episode is for leaders who have watched a promising implementation fall flat, or who suspect that the real issue in their organization runs deeper than any tool can reach.

What you'll hear in this episode:

• Why technology amplifies organizational health, and organizational dysfunction, in equal measure
• The difference between solving a people problem and masking it with a process solution
• What an organizational operating system actually looks like and what happens when it's misaligned
• Why clarity doesn't begin at the organizational level, it begins with the individual leader
• How identity, goals, people, rhythms, and systems either reinforce each other or undermine each other

Rising is a book for organizations that are growing but quietly losing clarity along the way. Written by Jeff Lovell and Aaron Lee of Leaders Rising Network, it makes the case that most growth problems are clarity problems, and that the path forward is building an intentional people system, not pushing harder.

Get a free copy of Rising.

Most leaders don't think their culture is broken. They're too close to it. What they notice instead is that meetings feel heavier, decisions take longer, and the same energy they keep pouring in isn't producing the same results. That's not a culture collapse. That's a culture drift. And it almost always starts in the gap between what leaders intend and what their teams actually experience.

In this episode, recorded live during the Rising book launch event, Jeff Lovell opens with a diagnostic that most leaders will recognize immediately: pressure doesn't create culture, it reveals it. Becky Rivest follows with a look at how clarity shapes communication, especially in the moments that matter most. And Mike closes with one of the more honest leadership stories you will hear, about a season when good intentions, hard work, and urgency combined to make everything worse.

This conversation is for leaders who carry real weight for their organizations and are starting to sense that something is drifting, even if they can't quite name it yet.

What you'll hear in this episode:

• Why culture drifts under pressure and what it's actually revealing when it does
• The gap between what leaders intend and what their teams experience, and why it widens with authority
• How blind spots compound the higher you rise
• Why communication is the outward expression of leadership clarity
• What happens when a leader confuses urgency with wisdom

Rising is a book for organizations that are growing but quietly losing clarity along the way. Written by Jeff Lovell and Aaron Lee of Leaders Rising Network, it makes the case that most growth problems are clarity problems, and that the path forward is building an intentional people system, not pushing harder.

Get a free copy of Rising.

Show Outline

• 0:52 - Why We Wrote Rising
• 2:32 - The Weight Leaders Carry
• 4:10 - Culture Doesn't Break, It Drifts
• 5:00 - What Pressure Actually Reveals
• 7:30 - The Gap Between Intent and Experience
• 10:00 - Leaders Judge Culture by Intentions, Teams Judge by Experience
• 12:45 - What You Permit, You Promote
• 15:00 - The One Question That Stabilizes Leadership
• 17:45 - Communication as the Outward Expression of Leadership
• 18:21 - The Cost of Drama at Work
• 19:02 - Finally, Someone Who Will Tell the Truth
• 22:12 - Mike's Story: When Hard Work Made Things Worse
• 26:09 - The Cost of Urgency Without Clarity
• 27:23 - Effort Is a Tool, Not a Solution

Culture change in a regulated industry isn't just hard — it’s rare. But at National Exchange Bank & Trust, it’s happening from the inside out. In this episode, Tami Christian and Tammy Pitts share how a conservative, compliance-first environment evolved into a people-first culture built on trust, voice, and vulnerability.

With the help of Dr. Tom Nebel from Leaders Rising Network, they began embedding tools like the 5 Voices, Support Challenge Matrix, and intentional leadership rhythms across 30+ branches and all levels of leadership. From the early discomfort of self-preservation to the breakthrough of shared language, this episode explores what it takes to lead culture change that actually sticks — and scales.

Listeners will discover how NEBAT used employee engagement surveys, voice training, and 1:1 development rhythms to unify their teams, sharpen their managers, and shift their entire culture toward relational, liberating leadership. It’s a blueprint for any organization that wants to move from compliance to connection — and build a leadership culture that lasts.

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Resources Mentioned

• Five Voices Assessment
• Identify your foundational leadership voice and begin the self-awareness journey
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• Support Challenge Matrix Tool
• Visualize how you show up with your team and how to calibrate for liberation
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• Intentional Multiplication Framework
• Move beyond training space to develop sustainable leadership culture
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Key Quotes

“I fell in love with the language very quickly. And I’ve seen a lot of tools over the years.”

— Tammy Pitts (03:21)

“You could feel the room shift. Vulnerability created a trust breakthrough.”

— Dr. Tom Nebel (11:03)

“We went from training events to a full culture embed. And that changed everything.”

— Tami Christian (18:14)

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Show Outline + Timestamps

• 00:00 – Why engagement is critical in modern banking
• 00:45 – What NEBAT’s culture looked like before transformation
• 03:21 – A fresh HR perspective and falling in love with the 5 Voices
• 05:29 – Tom’s surprise at the bank’s dominant nurturer profile
• 08:04 – How voice diversity (and friction) built trust across the team
• 11:03 – Vulnerability that unlocked organizational trust
• 15:13 – How every new hire gets onboarded into the culture
• 16:55 – Using engagement surveys + tools to measure real growth
• 18:14 – Programmatic rollout: from training space to embedded rhythms
• 21:15 – Measuring engagement as more than satisfaction
• 24:30 – Getting beyond compliance into true relational engagement
• 27:51 – What it looks like to lead when trust is on the line