Jon and Anna walk through Sagan's dramatic talent pool transformation. From clunky PDFs to a sophisticated searchable platform, they’re demonstrating what modern internal software development looks like in the AI era.

The original concept, simply, is that candidates who didn't get hired were already vetted, interviewed, and qualified. Rather than let this "sawdust" go to waste, Sagan created a talent pool where members could hire these candidates for free.

One member has made over 20 hires this way!

But the initial execution was rough. PDFs scattered across Google Drive, static posts in Circle, and no way to search or filter. Members were frustrated. They wanted searchability, confirmed availability, and a seamless experience integrated directly into their member portal.

The new platform solves these pain points systematically. Real-time availability confirmation prevents candidates from expiring before members can act. Advanced search filters by country, skills, and specific software. A "reserved" function prevents the talent auction problem, which is when multiple members request the same candidate, driving up rates and creating chaos.

Anna's key lesson from managing this project resonates beyond Sagan: you need to be specific about what you want, but don't let perfect planning paralyze you.

The first draft enables iteration. Once you see a prototype, feedback becomes concrete rather than abstract.

Sagan's development philosophy is "make it exist, then make it good." The platform will continue evolving with features like talent drops, personalized notifications, and specialized alerts.

Future additions might include: notify me when you add a CSR from South America, or alert me to full-stack developers under a certain rate.

This isn't just about hiring. It's about building internal software quickly using AI coding tools, getting feedback fast, and iterating relentlessly.

KEY TOPICS: (01:34) The Talent Pool Concept: Turning Interview "Sawdust" Into Value (04:10) Problems Being Solved: Availability, Searchability, Integration (08:22) Full Candidate Profiles: Video, Resume, Interview Q&A (10:01) Lessons from Developing the Talent Pool (11:22) Make It Exist, Then Make It Good

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Jon and Peter dive deep into a problem every growing business faces: team members saying "I'm too busy" and processes accumulating like barnacles on a ship's hull. More than just a matter of workload management, this issue is about the fundamental architecture of how work gets done.

So what exactly makes up these "barnacles"? According to Jon, it’s threefold: outdated forms, irrelevant marketing copy, and processes that solved problems from three years ago but nobody remembers why they exist.

Peter connects this with the principle of Chesterton's Fence. That is, never remove something until you understand why it was built.

To begin solving this problem, establish what you want this person doing at their highest level.

That’s their "zone of genius."

For a CFO, that's strategic planning rather than transactional bookkeeping. For a business owner at $2-4M revenue, it's growing revenue and developing leadership instead of fulfillment work.

It also helps to do a detailed task mapping exercise. List every output, identify inputs needed, describe the transformation process, and define triggers.

Jon's framework adds complexity and time assessments to identify "high time, low difficulty" tasks. Those are the lowest hanging fruit for delegation. Peter had the revelation that this exercise is often unintuitive for team members who can't articulate where their hours actually go.

Finally, avoid fragmenting roles too much (increasing internal transaction costs), but recognize that labor specialization is actually a sign of operational maturity. Both Jon and Peter hate documentation and SOPs. But they hate being tied to their desks even more.

As George Soros said: "I work furiously because I am furious that I have to work."

Key Topics: (04:00) The Barnacles Analogy (09:04) Understanding Why Things Exist Before Removing Them (12:06) Define Their Zone of Genius (14:58) Task Mapping: Outputs, Inputs, Transformation, and Triggers (21:12) Difficulty vs. Time: Finding the Low-Hanging Fruit (27:11) How Specialized Should Your Roles Be? (39:32) The Pain of Transformation vs. The Golden Ring of Freedom

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Jon sits down with Sagan’s Head of Recruitment, Sofía Bravo, to talk about what American team leaders often overlook when working with people from Latin America.

Sofía identifies the Latin American default: when something goes wrong, the immediate response is performative work: lengthy reports, detailed timelines, exhaustive documentation. These are all designed to prove effort was made. The fear, especially among junior employees, drives them to muddy the waters with complexity rather than deliver clear, confident analysis.

Problems arising from this phenomenon often stem from a fundamental misunderstanding about what managers want. When a boss asks "what happened?", junior team members hear "who's to blame?" So they build defensive fortresses of documentation. But what Jon and Sofía actually need is the thinking: tell me what you know (facts), what you don't know (gaps), and what you think (judgment). That confident assessment is the actual value.

The solution centers on radical candor. That’s high care combined with high honesty. Jon's approach is to explicitly acknowledge when he's about to give hard feedback, but frame it with demonstrated care. This creates psychological safety for honesty in both directions.

Two years ago, Sofia would've struggled with bluntness. Now she catches herself using "we" instead of direct feedback and immediately corrects. Leadership reinforces this by selectively praising what matters. Not "everything's green" but "you owned the mistake and drove the solution."

This cultural challenge isn't unique to Latin America, but recognizing these defaults makes them addressable through deliberate modeling, selective praise, and relentless focus on judgment over justification.

KEY TOPICS: (01:00) The Latin American Default: Justification Over Analysis (04:08) Performative Work (10:48) Leadership Modeling (14:22) Radical Candor (17:12) Building Relationship Bank Accounts Before Honesty

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