Late Diagnosis Club: How Claire Stopped Believing ABA Was the Answer

In this meeting of The Late Diagnosis Club, Dr Angela Kingdon welcomes Claire Samuels, a proud Autistic speech-language pathologist whose journey to self-recognition unfolded inside the very system she would later question.Claire began her career as a Registered Behaviour Technician (RBT) in the ABA industry, believing what she was told: that ABA was the gold standard for Autistic children. She loved the kids she worked with and believed she was making a positive impact. But as she read autistic voices, learned about interoception, and began recognising her own sensory and regulatory differences, cracks in the framework began to show.Together, Angela and Claire explore ABA, nuance, Autistic self-recognition, masking, sensory processing, burnout, and what it means to move from compliance-based therapy to connection-based communication.This episode is about shifting lenses, from behaviour to nervous systems, from control to connection, and from moral judgment to regulation.🪑 AttendeesChair: Dr Angela Kingdon — Author, community-builder, and Autistic advocateGuest: Claire Samuels — Autistic speech-language pathologistYou: The Listener!🗒️ Meeting AgendaOpening remarks from the ChairMember introduction: Theatre kid, masking, and early sensory differencesDiscussion: Entering ABA and believing the gold standardInteroception, meltdown empathy, and late self-recognitionLeaving ABA and shifting from behaviour to environmentBecoming an SLP: AAC, connection, and child-led therapyKey learningsClub announcements🧾 Minutes from the Meeting1️⃣ Opening RemarksAngela introduces Claire as a clinician whose story offers a rare inside perspective on ABA. Someone who entered the field with good intentions and left with a deeper understanding of Autistic nervous systems and lived experience.2️⃣ Member Introduction: Claire’s StoryClaire describes herself as a “chameleon” in school, a theatre kid who learned to play the role of “normal” while privately embracing her oddities. She studied psychology to understand how people “people,” navigated burnout in college, and found improv as a regulatory outlet.After serving in the Peace Corps in The Gambia, she returned to the USA, unsure of her path, but drawn to working with neurodivergent children. A friend introduced her to ABA, promising meaningful work, strong income potential, and the opportunity to work in the “gold standard” of Autism treatment.3️⃣ Discussion HighlightsABA immersion: 40-hour weeks for toddlers and gold-standard messagingRBT reality: Minimal training, low pay, no autism coursework requiredDemand maintenance: Repeating instructions during meltdowns until complianceInteroception moment: Supervisor unfamiliar with the conceptMasking realisation: Social media and autistic adult narrativesPendulum swing: From “gold standard” to “ABA is abuse” to nuanceSLP path: Language, connection, AAC, and feature matchingChild-led therapy: Slower but healthier device relationshipsSelf-accommodation: Headphones, fidgets, and nervous system resetsAutistic joy: Sesame Street, stimming, and public authenticity4️⃣ Key LearningsBehaviour is not the whole storyGood people can work inside broken systemsLanguage and connection are cyclicalAutistic regulation is not a moral failureSelf-accommodation changes relationshipsLabels serve us — not the other way around📌 Notice BoardLoud Hands: Autistic People, SpeakingAutistic Self-Advocacy NetworkAutism Society of WashingtonThurston County Inclusion Therapeutic Beginnings 📣 Club Announcements🎧 The Late Diagnosis Club is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and all major platforms.💬 Join our online meetups and community at latediagnosis.club.📌 Check the LDC Notice Board for Member Contributions💜 There is a small charge — but no one is turned away for lack of funds.🌈 Celebrate autistic voices with early access, ad-free listening, and our full archive at AutisticCulturePlus.com🌐 Visit www.autisticculturepodcast.com📲 Follow us on Instagram: @autisticculturepodcast🎙️ Executive Producers: Amy Burns, Anamaria B Call, Andrew Banner, Anna Goodson, Ashley Apelzin, Audrea Volker, Ben Coulson, Brian Churcek, Cappy Hamper, Carley Biblin, Charlene Deva, Chloe Cross, Clay Duhigg, Clayton Oliver, Danny Dunn, Daria Brown, David Garrido, Emily Burgess, Eric Crane, Erik Stenerud, Fiona Baker, Grace Norman, Helen Shaddock, Jaimie Collins, Jason Killian, Jen Unruh, Jennifer Carpenter, Julia Tretter, Kathie Watson-Gray, Kenneth Knowles, Kira Cotter, Kristine Lang, Kyle Raney, Llew P Williams, Laura Alvarado, Laura De Vito, Laura Provonsha, Lily George, Nelly Darmi, Nigel Rogers, Rachel Miller, Tim Scott, Tyler Kunz, Victoria Steed, Yanina Wood.🎧 Producers: AJ Knight, Bobby Simon, Da Kovac, Eleanor Collins, Emily Griffiths, Hannah Hughes, Jennifer Kemp, Jonas Fløde, Kate F, Katie N Benitez, Kendra Murphy, Lisa Dennys, Logan Wall, Louise Lomas, Melissa Nance, ...