Jillian Lauren: Puppies and blood. Author of “Some Girls, My Life in a Harem”

Crystal compares notes with Jillian on both being in modern harem, Jillian with the Prince of Brunei and Crystal with the King of Playboy, Hugh Hefner. They talk rules, wealth, misogyny, narcissism, and how they came out the other side. This fascinating talk provides a compelling deep dive into understanding power imbalance and the systems and ways they became lured into these surreal situations.