As the CEO and Co-founder of Apollo GraphQL, Matt DeBergalis has a lot to say about the ways that organizations can confront their inherent complexity and build reliable systems for AI to flourish. He joins Robb and Josh to talk about how GraphQL has made it easier for developers to build meaningful, AI-powered solutions.

As an open-source language for APIs, GraphQL makes data fetching more precise and flexible. When utilized within an agent runtime environment, GraphQL gives organizations the ability to build their own tools. As Matt explains, this gives orgs an enormous edge with agentic AI, and helping teams move light on their feet, experiment, and adjust quickly.

The trio also reminisces about the early days of the internet and agrees that ChatGPT was the mother of all demos.

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Chapters -

00:00 - Intro and episode setup

02:10 - Unsung hero moment for GraphQL and agent energy

03:12 - GraphQL basics for APIs in an agent runtime

04:36 - Why GraphQL won - types, tooling, developer velocity

05:20 - API design UX - REST vs GraphQL for developers

06:54 - From developers to builders - laypeople using agents

07:00 - Will the term developer fade - future of dev work

12:28 - Edit over scratch - tools that elevate product taste

15:35 - Personalized small-batch software and 3D-print analogy

17:31 - Agent-personalized apps beyond siloed UIs

18:46 - GraphQL as business language - nouns, verbs, capabilities

29:04 - Deterministic rails vs non-deterministic models in finance

32:01 - Real guardrails with MCP to Agent to GraphQL

51:00 - Graph as backbone of agentic AI

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Josh and Robb get together to share a short but deep dive into agent runtime environments. Agent runtimes are the missing piece in the many AI projects out in the world that never reach production. Robb explains how runtimes allow businesses to orchestrate AI agents so they can collaborate around business objectives and drive real ROI. Runtimes also give agents access to canonical “source-of-truth” knowledge bases and tools like MCP and A2A that allow them to pull the levers of existing software. Robb and Josh discuss the major investments in time and money required to build a runtime from scratch and why finding a complete agent runtime lets organizations make quick strides with the complex technologies associated with AI.

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Brian Solis, is a digital anthropologist and futurist who serves as the Head of Global Innovation at ServiceNow and is the former Head of Global Innovation at Salesforce. Brian is a bestselling author of Lifescale, The End of Business as We Know It, and Mindshift, which helps leaders learn how to see emerging trends, harness disruptive forces, and use them to fuel growth.

Brian joins Robb and Josh to talk with us about the importance of self-disruption in AI adoption. With so many genAI projects failing to reach production, this episode looks at approaches taken by IKEA and Airbnb that have induced the kind of mind shift that invites self-disruption. Brian, who's been called the CEO whisperer, also talks about the nuanced difference between “aha” and “uh-oh” moments and the pitfalls of hopeless optimism.

Brian Solis’s works: https://briansolis.com/books/

Key Chapters

0:00 — Intro: Josh & Rob set the stage

0:34 — Guest intro: Brian Solis (ServiceNow futurist, author of Mindshift)

1:07 — Why AI adoption requires self-disruption

1:26 — Aha vs Uh-oh moments with AI

5:30 — Why Brian is called the “CEO Whisperer”

8:30 — Rethinking failure & success (beyond SV mantras)

12:11 — Storytelling as strategy: Disney & Airbnb lessons

21:40 — MindShift: disruption as a deliberate choice

23:10 — Embrace complexity (the VC decision lens)

25:10 — Iteration vs innovation: redefining growth

29:00 — ROI vs “Return on Ignorance” (cost of not acting)

34:01 — Multiple futures & scenario planning

39:08 — Organizational AGI: companies as futurists

43:28 — IKEA case study: automation + augmentation

46:12 — NVIDIA & the power of simulations

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This episode is supported through partnership with OneReach.ai. Experience the runtime for AI agents — a turnkey private architecture and tools for building enterprise-grade agentic solutions.

• Use any AI models
• Create guardrails for organizational alignment
• Equipped with enterprise grade security
• Avoid vendor lock-in.

OneReach.ai’s award-winning AI agent orchestration platform meets the many requirements for seizing powerful new technologies in this pivotal moment.

Interested in implementing an Agent Platform for your organization? Book a Demo:

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