This week, Debi is joined by Pastor Derek Hansen, campus pastor at the White Mountains campus of Dream City Church.

Pastor Derek talks about growing up Mormon and about the journey that led him away from the Morman church and to a relationship with Christ. They talk about the unique area where their campus is located.

Derek and Debi discuss how his campus is landlocked by tribal land and about the relationships the church has built in the community. They discuss the high levels of addiction and abuse among Native communities and how the church is uniquely equipped to bring hope and a new life.

They also discuss the importance of speaking and teaching about Civics and about culturally relevant topics inside the church. In these chaotic times, so many, especially the next generation, are seeking answers and looking for truth that only the Word of God can provide.

To connect with the White Mountains campus visit https://www.dreamcitychurch.us/locations/showlow-az/

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This week, Debi is joined by Steele Brand, associate professor at Arizona State University.

In 2016, the Arizona Legislature established and funded the School of Civic and Economic Thought and Leadership (SCETL) at ASU aiming to promote the study of Western civilization, American institutions, and free-market philosophy. Professor Brand is one of the professors who teaches in this important program

Debi and Professor Brand discuss the importance of a classical liberal arts education which emphasizes reading historical and original source texts as well as deep analysis and discussion. We cannot preserve Western Civilization if we are not teaching its history and principals to future generations.

Debi and Professor Brand discuss the importance that revolutionary era thinkers and leaders with vastly different backgrounds and belief systems placed on morality, religion and truth.

Finally, they discuss the programs available at ASU as well as the opportunities for the public to take part in lectures and other events.

To learn more about the School of Civic and Economic Thought and Leadership at ASU, visit https://scetl.asu.edu/

To Find out more about Dream City Church visit https://dreamcitychrch.us

Professor Brand's book recommendations:
    Lives, by Plutarch
    American Constitutionalism by Gillman, Graber, and Whittington.
    The Great Tradition by Richard Gamble.
    The Golden Thread, by James Hankins and Allen C. Guelzo.

Debi's book recommendation: Veritas Press Omnibus homeschool curriculum on classics: Veritas Press | Omnibus

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This week, Debi is joined by Leisa Brug, VP of Advocacy at Center for Arizona Policy and CAP Action.

Leisa shares un update on the systematic dismantling of our state's common sense pro-life laws following the tragic passing of Prop 139 in November. Elections have consequences

Debi and Leisa discuss the process of how a bill becomes a law and the work that goes on behind the scenes to draft and pass good legislation. Leisa and Debi encourage viewers to go to the Capitol to sit in the gallery or sit in on a committee hearing to get a firsthand education on the legislative process.

Finally, Leisa and Debi talk about the enormous importance of the 2026 elections. Midterm elections typically have a lower voter turnout and historically tend to skew against the party in the White House. This election year needs to be all hands on deck.

To learn more about the Center for Arizona Policy visit https://www.azpolicy.org/

To Find out more about Dream City Church visit https://dreamcitychrch.us

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