In this episode of the Interbeing podcast, Naomi and Kyra are joined by Nick Pope, a speaker, facilitator, and coach with extensive experience working with executive teams globally. Nick shares insights from his new book 'Are You a Team or a Meeting?' discussing themes of teamwork, prioritisation, and the significance of purpose in teams. He provides valuable advice on transforming meetings into effective teams, emphasising the importance of humanity, cultural diversity, and shared purpose. The discussion also touches on overcoming challenges like exhaustion, the desire to be 'right,' and making space for genuine, productive collaboration.

00:00 Welcome to Interbeing
02:01 Introducing Our Guest: Nick Pope
07:04 Challenges Teams Face: Exhaustion and ‘Rightitis’
15:19 The Importance of Team Purpose
19:05 Practical Tips for School Leaders
26:52 Creating a Culture of Dialogue and Decision-Making
27:34 Managing Team Turnover and Long-Term Purpose
29:52 The Impact of Cultural Diversity on Team Performance
37:46 Addressing Lone Wolf Syndrome in Teams
38:37 The Role of Leaders in Shaping Team Culture
44:18 Final Thoughts and Reflections on Team Dynamics

Nick Pope’s expertise bridges the space between science and practice. As a scientist, his academic research focuses on the six conditions which create high performing executive teams. As a practitioner, for over two decades he has developed global leaders for some of the world’s most dynamic organisations, including Unilever, Nike, AstraZeneca, Lloyds, Rio Tinto, and Gucci. Engaging, pragmatic, and highly adaptable to the needs of a group, Nick is able to draw from his extensive expertise of working with over 1,000 teams in more than 50 countries from 15 different sectors. He is also visiting faculty on several international leadership programmes, and a sought after executive coach.
His forthcoming book “Are you a Team or a Meeting?” will be published by The Economist in Spring 2026.

Nick is based in Sydney with his wife and children. A keen adventurer, he loves exploring wild new places, especially ancient forests and mountains. He also loves music and is a drummer and DJ. Nick is determined to make the most of life and has gained a deep sense of perspective having lost a number of close friends and family members early in life. He is a founder and trustee of the HKM Foundation, a registered charity that provides music therapy for terminally ill children.

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At this mid-point in the season, we’re taking a short pause, and asking ourselves the question - What does it mean to be human?

In this episode Naomi and Matt discuss the importance of understanding the human condition, the temporary nature of the term 'human,' and the ongoing quest for connection in an increasingly isolated world. They look back at some highlights of our conversations so far, and forward to more to come.

The podcast will be back in January 2026.

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Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/

Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/

Interbeing is made by Making Stuff Better https://makingstuffbetter.com/ and produced by Emily Crosby Media https://emilycrosbymedia.com/

In this episode of Interbeing we dive into a profound conversation with Hayley Wilson, Deputy Head of the Senior School at Kellett School in Hong Kong. We explore the role of coaching in fostering a sense of community and humanity within schools, emphasizing values of care, curiosity, and meaningful relationships. Hayley shares her personal and professional journey toward adopting a purpose-driven and coaching-focused ethos, highlighting the significant cultural shifts at Kellett School toward connection, respect, and intentionality in both student and staff development.

02:04 Introducing Hayley Wilson and Kellett School

03:17 What Does It Mean to Be Human?

04:21 The Frenzied Nature of School Life

05:52 Finding Alternatives to Frenzy

08:34 The Importance of Connection and Culture

12:09 Discovering Coaching and Its Impact

18:54 The Power of Purpose in Education

21:50 Creating Conditions for Future Success

22:22 Purpose-Driven Leadership

23:52 Building a Culture of Respect

26:10 Challenges and Intentionality in Leadership

30:05 Cross-Cultural Leadership Dynamics

32:41 Reflections on Team Building

35:01 Final Thoughts and Takeaways

Hayley is the Deputy Head Pastoral, Wellbeing and Community and DSL of Senior of Kellett , The British International School in Hong Kong. Hayley has 18 years of experience as a teacher and leader, 13 years of which have been in an international setting - having worked previously in the USA and Egypt. Hayley holds an MA in Leadership of Mental Health and Wellbeing in Schools and has written a bespoke course in how to be a Senior Mental Health Lead in an International Setting.

Hayley is a purpose driven educator, committed to supporting every child as part of a team who are committed to living their values.

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Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/

Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/

Interbeing is made by Making Stuff Better https://makingstuffbetter.com/ and produced by Emily Crosby Media https://emilycrosbymedia.com/