This week on Inside the Life, Tonesa Welch, known as the First Lady of the Black Mafia Family, shares her journey and opens up about her pivotal role in Detroit’s illegal drug trade and the lasting legacy of BMF. As a key figure who helped connect Terry “Southwest Tee” and Demetrius “Big Meech” Flenory with major suppliers, Tonesa served 30 months in prison for her involvement. Today, she has transformed her life, becoming a passionate advocate for victims of domestic violence and prison reform.

About Tonesa Welch:

Tonesa “Toni” Welch, known as the First Lady of BMF, stood at the heart of a drug trafficking empire that spanned 11 states and had ties to Mexican drug cartels. The Black Mafia Family grew from humble beginnings in Detroit in the late 1980s to controlling nearly half the nation’s cocaine market. After serving 30 months in prison for her involvement, Tonesa is now a producer, advocate and author of “Black Mafia Queen: The Woman Behind the BMF.”

To purchase a copy of Tonesa’s book, visit https://a.co/d/2joSkDI

If you or someone you know are impacted by relationship abuse, you can reach the National Domestic Violence hotline at 1.800.799.SAFE or https://www.thehotline.org/

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Welcoming their former colleague to the show, Giovanni and Dutch sit down with ex-FBI undercover agent Scott “Big Country” Payne on this episode of Inside the Life. After publishing his 2025 book “Code Name: Pale Horse,” Scott joins the podcast to share more about his most prolific case, the 2019 investigation and infiltration of a Georgia-based cell of The Base, a white nationalist accelerationist paramilitary group. Describing the case as a seven month “roller coaster,” Scott details key markers of various white supremacist groups, while sharing the dangers he faced going undercover with such radical extremists. A conversation between three friends, something unique to this episode of Inside the Life which you won’t get anywhere else, Scott, Giovanni and Dutch share more about their high-level training and the undercover school where they all first met.

About Scott Payne:

Scott Payne is a former FBI agent who went undercover in Outlaw motorcycle gangs, an opioid trafficking ring and white supremacist groups. In 2005, Scott infiltrated an Outlaws chapter in Massachusetts that was involved in vehicle theft and drug trafficking. Later in his career, Scott embedded himself in white supremacist groups, including the Ku Klux Klan and The Base, a group determined to collapse society by starting a race war. Scott has also taught at the FBI’s undercover school and exposed infiltrated opioid rings and murder-for-hire plots. Scott is the author of “Code Name: Pale Horse: How I Went Undercover to Expose America’s Nazis.”

To purchase a copy of Scott’s book, visit https://a.co/d/aQlsprQ

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In the first episode of Inside the Life’s third season, Giovanni and Dutch welcome former Mongols Motorcycle Club Oregon and Missouri chapter president Justin “Mooch” DeLoretto. As the first patched outlaw motorcycle club member on Inside the Life, Justin shares how he went from a teen in the hardcore music scene to chapter president of for one of the most well-known one-percenter clubs in motorcycle history, while simultaneously getting his Master of Social Work. Sitting down in The Mob Museum’s studio, Justin gives insight into his time with the MC, sharing why he was drawn to the life and also why he eventually decided to leave.

About Justin DeLoretto:

Justin “Mooch” DeLoretto is a social worker and former president of the Oregon and Missouri chapters of the Mongols Motorcycle Club, identified by law enforcement as an outlaw motorcycle gang. After growing up as a youth in the anti-racist skinhead hardcore music scene, Justin eventually gravitated toward motorcycle club culture, joining the Vagos MC and later finding himself in leadership for the Mongols MC. After earning his Master of Social Work in 2017, he decided to retire from the club in 2021. He now works as a social worker, is the host of the Patched podcast and author of “The Ride of My Life.”

To purchase a copy of Justin DeLoretto’s book “The Ride of My Life” visit https://a.co/d/hlvPnOM

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For behind-the-scenes photos, merchandise and exclusive content, visit insidethelife.org

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This program is presented by The Mob Museum and includes views and opinions of independent panelists and/or interviewees that do not necessarily reflect or represent the stance of The Mob Museum. Factual statements made by panelists/interviewees have also not been vetted by the Museum, and the Museum does not assert that such statements are truthful. All statements should be understood as the individual’s perspective rather than a view expressed by The Mob Museum.

This program has been made available by The Mob Museum for the private, non-commercial use of its audience. Such private use is intended for informational and educational purposes only. This program is subject to copyright protection, and those seeking to utilize the program or portions thereof, for anything other than private use should contact The Mob Museum at PR@themobmuseum.org.