Jeremy and Jess turn the corner on a new year with an unedited one-on-one discussion, reflecting on 2025 and looking ahead at 2026.

In this episode of IndieRails, Jess and Jeremy interviewed Jared Brown, co-founder and CEO of Hubstaff.

The conversation began with a serendipitous meeting at XO Ruby, where an early-morning parking deck encounter turned into a deeper discussion about SaaS, engineering, and long-term company building. What started as a casual conference conversation ultimately led to this episode.

Jared shared the story of Hubstaff’s journey from a two-founder startup in 2012 to a globally distributed company with more than 130 employees and roughly $33 million in ARR. He reflected on the importance of strong co-founder relationships, early technical decisions, and finding product-market fit in a competitive space.

The discussion covered long-term thinking, data-driven decision-making, and the realities of scaling a SaaS business over more than a decade. Jared also spoke candidly about the sacrifices required in the early years, the role of mentorship, leadership transitions, and the self-awareness needed to grow alongside the company.

This episode offered practical insights into networking, virality, engineering-led leadership, and what it really takes to build and sustain a successful independent software business over the long haul.

Links:
Jared's LinkedIn
Hubstaff.com

After more than two years, Ernesto Tagwerker returns to IndieRails to chat about the changing industry landscape and running an agency in the age of AI. Ernesto is the founder of OmbuLabs, makers of FastRuby.io, and maintainers of many open source projects in Ruby and Rails. We talk about upgrading Rails apps with the help of LLMs, their fixed-cost maintenance service Bonsai, new AI-related offerings (from assessments to greenfield buildouts), and championing DX (developer experience).

Mentioned in the Episode
Stanford research on dev productivity w/ AI tooling (video)
The Automated Roadmap
Bonsai Service
A Tech Debt Fighting Champion For Developers
Get DX
Philly.rb
Canopy