In this episode, Eva sits down with Patty and Michael, a couple who have returned to Flow Life retreats multiple times - both individually and together. Patty and Michael first joined us a year ago at the couples retreat. Later, Patty attended a women's retreat and most recently they returned as a couple for another transformative experience.

They share their heartfelt reflections on how this medicine and the retreat container have supported their healing, growth, and connection as partners. Their take-a-way highlights how real people, not just research participants, are finding lasting change through these experiences.

Recent studies show that even a single dose of psilocybin can ease depression for up to five years, reduce heavy drinking by half, and bring profound relief for those living with anxiety, PTSD, and more. Patty and Michael’s journey brings these findings to life in a deeply personal way.

For more information about Flow Life Retreats, visit: www.flowliferetreat.com

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In this heartfelt excerpt from our very first Kindle Flow Retreat, you’ll hear one woman’s deeply vulnerable share during a group exercise where participants brought a photo of themselves at a time they last felt connected to pure joy. Her chosen moment was from when she was graduating high school - a season of life filled with transitions, dreams, and uncertainties.

This raw and tender reflection reminds us that healing often happens in the space where we allow ourselves to be seen, heard, and loved exactly as we are. At Kindle Flow Retreats, we believe we are the medicine - no plant medicine required. Through connection, guided practices, and a safe, loving container, participants rediscover joy, clarity, and self-trust.

If you’ve been longing for a space where your story is honored and your heart is held, this episode offers a glimpse into the kind of transformation that unfolds when community and compassion meet.

Learn more about upcoming retreats: FlowLifeRetreat.com | EvaPayne.com

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What if everything we’ve accepted as “normal” the stress, the sickness, the disconnection is actually far from what it means to be fully human?

The Real Human Baseline is a wake-up call and a roadmap. Hosted by Eva Payne, this podcast explores what life could look like if we remembered who we really are beyond the systems, the trauma, and the noise. Each episode unpacks what it means to live as an optimized human: physically, emotionally, and spiritually aligned. We’ll dive into what society could become when we build from coherence instead of chaos.

From nervous system regulation to regenerative education, from purpose-driven work to frequency-based healing, we paint a picture of a world you may have sensed… but never seen laid out clearly, until now.

This is not about escaping reality.
It’s about reclaiming it.
You’re not here to fit into the old world.
You’re here to help build the new one.

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