IL44: From AI Hype to Transformative AGI ft. Aubrie Pagano
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In this Ideas Lab episode, Kevin Coldiron speaks with venture capitalist and former founder Aubrie Pagano about what stands between today’s AI hype and a truly transformative AGI economy. Rather than treating AI as destiny, Aubrie maps the frictions that hold it back: hard power limits, fragile industrial data, and agents that still cannot coordinate with humans or each other. She explains why we may be a full capital cycle or two away from real AGI and why that delay is precisely where the best opportunities lie. The conversation then widens into the “Aquarius Economy,” a possible future in which human agency, not algorithms, becomes the scarcest and most valuable asset.
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Episode TimeStamps:
00:00 - Why agent coordination is still clunky and unreliable
00:38 - Intro to Top Traders Unplugged and performance risk framing
01:34 - Kevin sets up the Ideas Lab and today’s focus on AGI
02:59 - Aubrie’s background as founder, researcher and VC shaping her lens
06:04 - Why she wrote about AGI and the Aquarius Economy
07:21 - AGI as the last cycle built on labor scarcity
10:41 - The blockers framework and why AGI may be a cycle or two away
12:58 - Blocker...