In this exciting episode of 'The Two Who Recruit' podcast, our host shares their excitement and energy about discussing a thoughtful topic with two influential guests in internal audit.

Sandro Boeri, the President of the Chartered Institute of Internal Auditors UK and Ireland, and Sally Clark, Chair of the Independent Audit Committee for the Rewrite of the Institute of Internal Audit Code of Practice, join us.

The discussion revolves around the new Internal Audit Code of Practice, its implications, and the broad strategic value it aims to bring to the profession. Key points include the importance of organisational culture, adapting to emerging risks like AI and ESG, fostering a diverse workforce, and leveraging the code for team development and strategic alignment.

They also touch upon the nuanced roles within internal audit and the booming conversation around hybrid working, all underscored by hosting tips to create effective, collaborative audit environments.

Time stamps:

00:00 Introduction and Excitement for the Podcast

00:37 Meet the Guests: Sandro Boeri and Sally Clark

01:49 The New Code of Practice: Highlights and Importance

03:59 Challenges and Opportunities in Internal Audit

10:37 Diversity and Skills in the Profession

19:42 The Future of Internal Audit: Courage and Innovation

24:20 Exploring Organisational Culture in Auditing

25:20 The Debate on Remote Auditing

28:31 Hybrid Working: Balancing Remote and In-Person Auditing

33:32 Utilising the Code for Audit Departments

39:03 Recruitment and the Future of Auditing

44:11 Final Thoughts and Fun Questions

Welcome to 'The Two Who Recruit,' where seasoned recruiters Sheena and Jules share their expertise on tackling recruitment challenges from both candidate and client perspectives.

In this NEW SEASON episode, they delve into crucial topics such as navigating employment gaps, handling hybrid work trends, and mastering job interviews. They also discuss the benefits of exclusive recruitment, effective salary negotiations, and the balance between remote and in-office work. Tune in for actionable advice and real-life examples to enhance your recruitment strategies.

Key points discussed:

- Employment gaps and job transition factors

- Effective job interview strategies

- Hybrid work trends in FTSE organisations

- Balancing presence and flexibility in career progression

- Importance of exclusive recruitment

- Tips for smooth interviews and fair salary discussions

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Time stamps

00:00 Introduction and Overview

01:30 Candidate Challenges: Gaps in Employment

03:52 Candidate Challenges: Questions to Ask in Interviews

07:04 Candidate Challenges: Reasons for Leaving and Joining Companies

13:02 Hybrid Working Patterns and Future Trends

19:36 Tips for Career Progression

23:50 Transition to Client Issues

24:03 Should You Ask About Salary Expectations?

24:24 Direct Hiring vs. Agency Hiring

25:33 Challenges Candidates Face in Interviews

27:16 Ensuring a Smooth Interview Process

30:22 The Importance of Using One Agency

36:36 How to Limit Candidate Withdrawals

42:10 Wrapping Up and Final Thoughts

In the upcoming episode of "The Two Who Recruit," we are thrilled to welcome an esteemed guest, Peter Elam, a Chief Audit Executive with a wealth of experience in Internal Audit and Risk Management. With over 20 years of international and diverse experience in Pharmaceuticals and Oil & Gas, our guest has excelled at every corporate level, from local subsidiaries to regional offices and global headquarters. Known for their strong leadership and transformational approach, they have consistently achieved world-class standards to meet their company's evolving needs.

What to expect on the episode

• The state of independence in audit
• What do auditors and GPs have in common?
• What is the right pace of implementing audit change
• How to prepare for an audit committee

Don't miss this episode for an engaging discussion that promises to offer valuable insights and perspectives from one of the leading figures in internal audit and risk management.

Join us, recruitment directors Sheena Dattani and Julia White, on the Partner Perspective Podcast and Two who recruit crossover episode, for an engaging conversation with Cherry Cromarty, a partner at BDO based in London. With nearly 22 years of experience in Internal Audit, Risk, Governance, and Control, Cherry has spent most of her career in professional services, including 16 years at PwC.

Cherry's passion for internal audit is evident as she discusses her journey. Her experience spans various industries and client sizes, with a special focus on consumer markets. She began her retail journey working in an in-house internal audit team for a global retailer and has since led go-to-market strategies for Governance, Risk, and Control propositions.

Cherry shares her love for meeting people and understanding organisational dynamics at the highest level, emphasising how internal audit can help businesses thrive. Her diverse background includes a stint in industry at ASDA's head office in Leeds, giving her a unique perspective from both sides of the table.

Outside of work, Cherry is a mother to a nine-year-old girl and a stepmother to an eleven-year-old boy, alongside managing three dogs—Marshmallow (Marshie), Bangers, and Mash. Tune in for Cherry’s expert insights and practical advice on navigating the complexities of risk and governance in today’s business landscape. This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to enhance their understanding of internal audit and risk management and what it looks like to hire for these professions.

Meet Antoinette, our next guest on the Two Who Recruit podcast! 🎙️

With over 25 years of expertise in leadership development and communications, Antoinette specialises in crafting impactful programs that drive results for executives and top teams worldwide. Her proprietary Gravitas Programme, outlined in her book "Leading with Gravitas," equips leaders with the vision and skills to command respect and communicate confidently.

As a Fellow of the Professional Speaking Association and a TEDx speaker, Antoinette is a sought-after voice on gravitas, leadership, and women's empowerment in business. She's shared her insights with top organisations like Marriott, Johnson & Johnson, and Sky, and regularly addresses audiences on global platforms.

Beyond her professional endeavours, Antoinette champions gender equity as evidenced by her role as Chair of the Board of Trustees for BelEve, a charity empowering young girls to become leaders. Her advocacy extends to her acclaimed book "Power Up: The Smart Woman's Guide to Unleashing Her Potential," recognised for promoting diversity in the business world.

Join us as we delve into Antoinette's journey from senior positions at renowned PR consultancies to founding her successful company in 2007. Stay tuned for her episode on Two Who Recruit - you won't want to miss it! 🌟

Join us for an enlightening conversation with Anne Kiem, Chief Executive of the Chartered Institute of Internal Auditors. With her distinguished background in member organisations, Anne offers invaluable insights into the evolving landscape of internal audit and the pivotal role of professional associations in shaping its trajectory.

Throughout her career, Anne has spearheaded transformative initiatives in esteemed organisations, from UK business schools to financial education bodies. Now, at the helm of the Chartered Institute of Internal Auditors, she navigates the dynamic challenges facing the profession with determination.

In our discussion, Anne highlights the changing landscape of internal audit and underscores the importance of collaboration and innovation in driving progress. Drawing upon her wealth of experience, she offers practical strategies for professionals to actively contribute to the advancement of their field.

Furthermore, Anne's passion for adventure extends beyond boardrooms, showcasing her dynamic approach to life and leadership. Prepare to be inspired as we delve into Anne's multifaceted journey, exploring not only the evolution of internal audit but also the boundless opportunities for growth and impact in the realm of professional associations.

Final episode of the year!

🎙️ Dive into the vast range of how to hire and recruit top talent with our latest guest, Faye Spruce from Moore Kingston Smith. Journey through Faye's unique trajectory from the start of her career during the 2008 recession, transitioning between agencies and in-house roles, and landing her current position.

Get a front-row seat to the changes and challenges in recruitment over the years, from the employer-driven markets of the past to today's evolving landscape post-COVID. Discover the resilience and adaptability that's defined her career, and gain insights into the industry's pulse. Tune in! 🌍🔍 #RecruitmentInsights

Join Jules this month in the highly-anticipated 7th episode of the podcast.

Our extra special guest is the impressive Elizabeth Honer, CEO of the Government Internal Audit Agency. Elizabeth's career spans the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, House of Commons, and she's a board trustee for the Vision Foundation. But that's just the beginning.

In this episode, Jules uncovers Elizabeth's remarkable journey, from cycling a hundred miles for charity to co-hosting Women in Internal Audit events. Discover how these two dynamic women first crossed paths at networking events and why Elizabeth's leadership is a shining example.

As they delve into the world of the Government Internal Audit Agency, learn about its unique role in central government and why it's still "by government, for government." Elizabeth's career reinvention and valuable insights make this episode a must-listen for anyone pondering their career path.

Tune in to gain valuable career inspiration and a behind-the-scenes look at the Government Internal Audit Agency.