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Holy Uncertain

Holy Uncertain

De: Lauren Ranzino and Chris McLeod
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Have you ever sat through a church service and thought, “Wait—do I actually believe this?”

Holy Uncertain is a podcast hosted by Lauren Ranzino—a theology grad, longtime TV producer, and curious Christian whose parents met in a cult—and Chris McLeod—a homeschooled pastor’s kid, and former worship pastor turned podcast producer, who doesn’t know what to call himself these days, this show explores the big, messy questions of faith, life, and meaning with some of today’s most insightful thinkers.

Raised in a church culture where doubt felt like a dirty word, Lauren and Chris know how hard it is to question openly. So on this podcast, they do it for you—honestly seeking clarity without pretending to have it all figured out.

2026 Lauren Ranzino and Chris McLeod
Episodios
  • Do We Need to Rethink Church? | Tommy Preson Phillips
    Mar 27 2026

    What is church actually supposed to look like?

    In this episode of Holy Uncertain, hosts Lauren Ranzino and Chris McLeod are joined by pastor, author, and musician Tommy Preson Phillips to explore why so many people are rethinking the way church has been practiced.

    Tommy, co-author of Invisible Jesus: A Book about Leaving the Church and Looking for Christ, shares why so many people are walking away from church—not because they’ve lost faith, but because they no longer see Jesus reflected in the systems they’ve inherited. Together, they examine how layers of tradition, power, and cultural assumptions have shaped modern church structures, and what it might look like to strip things back to something more honest, relational, and rooted in the way of Jesus.

    From the early church’s radically inclusive communities to the rise of institutional models, this conversation wrestles with what’s essential, what might be worth letting go of, and how spiritual community could be reimagined today.

    If you’ve ever felt disconnected from church but still long for faith, belonging, and a more authentic way of following Jesus, this episode offers a hopeful place to explore.

    Continue to learn from Tommy Preson Phillips:
    Substack
    Instagram: @tommypresonphillips

    Read Tommy’s Book:
    Invisible Jesus: A Book about Leaving the Church and Looking for Christ by Scot McKnight and Tommy Preson Phillips

    Listen to Tommy’s Music:
    www.presonphillips.com

    Have a question or topic you want us to explore?
    Email us: questions@holyuncertain.com

    Holy Uncertain is a Blue Elevator production.

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