This conversation with Andy Mahler took place July 15th, 2025 and is the third of four interviews I did with Andy during the summer of 2025.

The focal point of this conversation is the devastating forest service project called Buffalo Springs, which poses a current threat to the Hoosier National Forest and many private properties adjacent to these public lands, including Andy's own home.

True to Andy's form. This conversation meanders a bit like a river, but it's an enjoyable ride. Thanks for joining me.

To get involved or show your support, please check out and donate to any and all of the followings groups:

• Save Hooiser National Forest
• Save Hoosier National Forest Facebook page
• Protect Our Woods Facebook page
• Indiana Forest Alliance
• Heartwood

Intro music: "Diamond in the Sun" by Robert Hoyt, 1995. Dumpster Diving Across America.

In this interview, which took place on  July 14, 2025, Andy provides the background of what was happening in his life, and the forest around him, that led to the formation of Protect Our Woods in the late 1980's, and then Heartwood in 1991. He speaks about the joy of meeting like-minded folks who cared about the forest the same way he did, and how Heartwood exists as a network of people who care deeply about each other, while also being an organization that has been highly effective at changing the way National Forests are managed all over the country.

Want to get involved, learn, or show your support? Check out:

• Heartwood website
• Heartwood Facebook page
• Protect Our Woods Facebook page

Intro music: "Diamond in the Sun" by Robert Hoyt, 1995. Dumpster Diving Across America.

In the summer of 2025, Andy and I took the time to sit with each other on 4 occasions to talk about his life. We had these conversations knowing his time was short due to his stage IV prostate cancer diagnosis.

What I did not expect was that he would be gone before I had a chance to publish them.

It is with deep sadness, as well as with deep appreciation for the time that Andy spent with me to have these conversations, that I present them to you. May they serve as a memorial to Andy, and to his life’s work, protecting the forests he loved.

Our first conversation took place on June 30th 2025, and revolves around Andy’s childhood and young adulthood, up to his first encounters with the Lazy Black Bear, the place that would become his long-time home, and the center-point of the Heartwood organization.

Intro music: "Diamond in the Sun" by Robert Hoyt, 1995 Dumpster Diving Across America