This podcast episode delves into the intricate dynamics of recruitment, particularly focusing on the pivotal role of second-in-commands (COOs) within organizations. We engage with Graham Brown, an expert in team dynamics and recruitment, who shares his profound insights gleaned from over two decades in the field. A salient point of discussion centers around the necessity for CEOs to be adequately prepared for the caliber of talent they seek, particularly in the context of attracting high-performing individuals. Throughout our dialogue, we explore various archetypes of COOs, including the executor and the change agent, elucidating the diverse strengths they bring to the table. Ultimately, the episode serves as a clarion call for business leaders to prioritize strategic hiring practices that align with their organizational goals, thereby fostering a high-performing culture that propels their business forward.

Takeaways:

• The podcast emphasizes the importance of recognizing one's own strengths and weaknesses as a leader, particularly in terms of hiring the right talent to complement those qualities.
• The discussion highlights that successful hiring requires a thorough understanding of the company's needs and the right timing for bringing in new personnel for optimal growth.
• Listeners are urged to consider the three pillars of successful hiring: skills and ability, natural energy alignment, and cultural fit, as each plays a crucial role in employee performance and retention.
• The episode explains the significance of team dynamics and the need for a CEO to be prepared for an A player, ensuring that the organizational culture fosters high performance and engagement.

Think you're ready to sell your business? Think again.

Selling your business is one of the biggest decisions you’ll ever make — second only to marriage and kids. But how do you know when you’re actually ready to sell?

In this episode of the Grown Up Business Podcast, Paul Avins speaks with Ken Gorman, Regional Director at Transworld M&A and author of three books on selling businesses, to uncover the reality behind preparing your company for a successful exit.

Together, they break down the myths, including why most business owners aren’t ready to sell, how accountants can unknowingly sabotage deals, and why 75% of businesses that go to market never sell at all. Ken shares his personal story from California to London and his 8+ years in sell-side M&A, with over 60 closed deals under his belt.

If you’re a CEO or founder thinking about exit planning or simply wanting to build a grown-up business worth buying, this episode is a must-listen.

• The “Switch in the Heart”: You’re ready to sell when the emotional shift happens — the moment you know it’s time to do something else in life.
• Profit is the #1 Value Driver: Buyers don’t buy passion, they buy predictable profits — and your job is to maximise and prove them.
• Get yourself out of the business: If the company can’t function without you, it isn’t ready to sell (or worth as much as you think).
• The truth about deferred deals & earnouts: Why the “wedding cake” model of deal structures (cash, deferred payments, earn-outs, rolled equity) matters, and how to protect yourself as a seller.
• Accountants can derail deals: Not through incompetence — but because they often lack deal experience, especially around working capital negotiations.
• 75% of sales fail: Selling is as much about EQ as IQ — success depends on managing people, egos, and expectations at every stage.
• Not all buyers are equal: You don’t want just a buyer, you need the right new owner who can fill the leadership void you leave behind.

Ken Gorman is a seasoned M&A Advisor, Certified Business Valuer, and Regional Director at Transworld M&A, one of the world’s largest global dealmaking firms. With over three decades in business across the US, UK, and Europe, Ken has personally been involved in 100+ project teams and 60+ closed transactions.

He specialises in helping owner-operators prepare their businesses for sale, find the right new owners, and secure life-changing exit deals — all while keeping heart and human dynamics central to the process.

• Grab Ken’s book “Selling Your Business” → Selling Your Business
• Connect with Ken Gorman on LinkedIn → linkedin.com
• Learn more about Transworld M&A → Transworld
• Follow Paul Avins for Scale Up insights on LinkedIn →

From family start-up to global brand: the Wolf Eyewear growth story.

Paul Avins sits down with CEO Tom Wolfenden to unpack the exact moves behind building a world-class sales team, scaling across borders, and keeping values intact while chasing exponential growth.

Discover how Wolf Eyewear scaled from a family business into a global brand with 2,000+ retailers. CEO Tom Wolfenden shares lessons on sales teams, culture, and scale-up strategy with Paul Avins.

What does it take to transform a family-run brand into a global scale-up with thousands of retail partners—while never losing sight of your values or community?

In this episode of the Grown Up Business Podcast, Paul Avins sits down with Tom Wolfenden, CEO of Wolf Eyewear Group, to unpack how he took over the family business and steered it towards ambitious growth, culture, and global expansion.

If you’re a CEO ready to quadruple your business, build a world-class sales team, and expand across markets without losing culture, this is your playbook.

• Mindset matters: The bold shift from hustler to scale-up CEO.
• Sales engine = growth engine: Why building and leading a 17-person sales team unlocked Wolf Eyewear’s growth.
• Resilience in crisis: How they survived Covid by loaning over £500k of stock to support customers — building loyalty money can’t buy.
• Leadership at scale: How to deal with underperforming team members while protecting business culture.
• Investment in yourself = investment in the business: Why Tom doubled down on coaching and retreats to accelerate Wolf Eyewear’s expansion.

This isn’t just a story of scaling eyewear. It’s a blueprint for any ambitious CEO who wants to build a grown-up business that wins globally

Tom Wolfenden is the CEO of Wolf Eyewear Group, a UK-based independent eyewear company stocked in over 2,000+ retailers and expanding internationally. Known for bold design and strong community values, Wolf Eyewear is a flagship example of how a family business can scale into a global brand—without losing its heart.

• Connect with Tom Wolfenden on LinkedIn → Tom Wolfenden | LinkedIn
• Explore the Wolf Eyewear Group brand → UK Eyewear Brand | Wolf Eyewear for Independent Opticians
• Follow Paul Avins for scale-up insights on LinkedIn → Paul Avins | LinkedIn
• Transform your business at the Grown Up Business Retreat → The Grown Up Business Retreat 2025

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