Max Narotzky of Ultra Deluxe guests to discuss gender and sexuality discovery, Danish post-rock Efterklang's Tripper, and her band's excellent new albumThe Floria Wars, out now on Lonely Ghost Records.

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Turns out, based on his 1980s discography, Joe can enjoy Bruce Springsteen.

Can Steve keep the momentum going through the tumult of the '90s as they explore Human Touch, Lucky Town, and The Ghost of Tom Joad?

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Steve and Sherry—sister of Joe, new friend of the pod, and most importantly one of the few who refers to him as "Joey"—love Billy Joel.

Joe, unable to help himself, really doesn't get these rich old white men. Will he ever learn?

Did you know that Sherry is one of the foremost experts on Billy Joel's Long Island legacy?

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Joe wasn't sold on Bruce Springsteen after Steve led him through the Boss's 1970s work.

Will the '80s be any different?

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When Filler started, Joe and Steve made a pact: Steve would give blink-182 a shot and Joe would truly try to get into Bruce Springsteen.

Steve loves Bruce.

Joe loves The Gaslight Anthem. What's he missing?

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Before we make our way through the badlands, we wanted to give you some media to tide you over.

What are you listening to? Watching anything good? Severance and The White Lotus don’t count; everybody’s into them!

Liner Notes:

HyperFixed - "Kristin Has Doubts"

Japanese Breakfast - For Melancholy Brunettes (& sad women)

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Friend of the pod, Kanem X, joins Joe and Steve to discuss his philosophy on music, creativity, and life.

Check out Kanem's special video cut of this episode on YouTube!

Follow Kanem X: @kanemmusic on TikTok & Instagram

Check out Kanem’s music, podcast, and other projects: https://www.kanemmusic.com/

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Joe and Steve end their journey into the depths of blink-182 with a rousing conversation about California, Nine, and ONE MORE TIME. The leave the trio with a ranking of the 10 albums they listened to.

Did Steve come around on blink? Does Joe still love them like he used to?

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