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World leaders say they stand with the people of Iran. But when the Islamic Republic is finally under real pressure, many of the same voices suddenly want de-escalation.

What exactly are Western leaders so afraid of: a wider war, or the fall of the regime itself?

In this episode of EylON the Record, Eylon Levy speaks with Jonathan Schanzer, Executive Director of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, about whether regime change in Iran is still a realistic outcome, why Western governments seem more frightened by instability than by tyranny, and what the fall of the Islamic Republic could mean for Israel, the Gulf states, Europe, and the future balance of power in the Middle East.

In this episode, we discuss:

• Why so many Western leaders prefer the “devil they know” in Tehran to the uncertainty of regime collapse
• Whether the war is actually creating the conditions for regime change after the bombing stops
• How Gulf states, Europe, Turkey, Russia, and China are positioning themselves for the day after
• Whether a weakened Iran leads to containment, covert action, or a full scramble to remake the region

This conversation goes beyond the immediate battlefield. It asks whether the West still has the confidence to confront openly hostile regimes, or whether it has become so risk-averse that it now fears the collapse of tyranny more than tyranny itself. Getting that question wrong will shape not just Iran’s future, but the future of regional order and Western credibility.

🎯 Key moment:
“When the bombing stops, that’s when the interesting stuff is very likely to begin.”

🎙 Filmed at M10 Studios, Tel Aviv

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A month of war is exhausting. But worse than the sirens, the sleepless nights, and the chaos is watching serious people say unserious things with total confidence.

In this episode of EylON the Record, Eylon Levy speaks with Shany Mor, former Israeli National Security Council official and academic, about the flood of bad analysis surrounding Israel’s war with Iran. They examine why so many commentators, diplomats, and self-described experts keep recycling arguments that collapse under basic scrutiny, from claims that Iran is somehow winning, to the idea that international law exists mainly to constrain Israel while shielding those attacking it. The conversation goes to the heart of a larger question: what happens when moral posturing replaces strategic thinking in the way the West talks about war, deterrence, and Israel’s right to defeat its enemies?

In this episode, we discuss:

• Why the claim that striking terrorists only “creates more terrorists” is applied obsessively to Israel and almost nowhere else
• How “international law” is often invoked against Israel in ways that are incoherent, selective, and politically motivated
• Why ceasefire diplomacy so often freezes threats in place instead of removing them
• How fantasy narratives about the Iran deal, deterrence, and “forever wars” distort what Israel is actually facing

This conversation goes beyond headlines and talking points. It is about whether democratic societies still know how to think seriously about war, victory, deterrence, and self-defense. If the West cannot distinguish between ending a threat and managing it forever, it will keep rewarding aggression and punishing those willing to confront it.

🎯 Key moment:
“People who make these big, empirically verifiable statements often count on us not going out and verifying them.”

🎙 Filmed at M10 Studios, Tel Aviv

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00:00 – Intro: Israel, War & Western Naivety
02:09 – Meet Sharren Haskel + Life During War
05:00 – Weak Western Leadership & Europe’s Internal Pressures
09:29 – Israel’s Real Advantage: People & National Identity
15:00 – Europe’s Military Decline & Strategic Weakness
17:35 – Israel as a Rising World Power
19:36 – The New Middle East: Competing Power Blocs
24:38 – Gulf States, Iran & Regional Turning Point
26:21 – What Happens After the War?
27:25 – Could the Iranian Regime Collapse?
28:37 – Netanyahu, October 7 & Strategic Shift
40:00 – The West’s Broken Approach & Hypocrisy
48:35 – Why Peace Efforts Failed & What Comes Next
55:58 – Sirens Interrupt + Outro

The Middle East is being redrawn in real time. The question now is not whether Israel has power, but what it will do with it.

In this episode of EylON the Record, Eylon Levy speaks with Sharren Haskel, Israel’s Deputy Foreign Minister, about how October 7 and the war that followed transformed Israel from a country under siege into a state projecting force across the region. They discuss how Israel has emerged as a new regional power, why much of the West still struggles to understand the threat from Iran, and what a stronger Israel means for the future of the Middle East, the democratic world, and the fight against Islamist extremism.

In this episode, we discuss:

• Why mass Muslim immigration from antisemitic countries is dictating European foreign policy
• How Israel and the United States are doing the world’s “dirty work” by confronting the Iranian regime
• Why Western leaders keep trying to freeze conflicts instead of solving them
• How the fall of Iran’s regional axis could reshape Israel’s ties with Arab states

This conversation goes beyond battlefield updates to a deeper question: what kind of power Israel is becoming. If Israel emerges from this war stronger, more feared, and more central to regional security, then the real challenge will be how that power is used, how it is judged, and whether the West is capable of understanding the stakes before it is too late.

🎯 Key moment:
“October 7 will go down as one of the greatest strategic blunders in modern warfare, because instead of wiping Israel off the map, it has entrenched Israel more firmly on the map than ever before.”

🎙 Filmed at M10 Studios, Tel Aviv https://m10.co.il/video-podcast-studio-tel-aviv

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