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Artificial intelligence is reaching a turning point. Instead of building bigger and bigger models, what if the real breakthrough comes from letting AI evolve?

In this episode of Eye on AI, David Ha, Co-Founder and CEO of Sakana AI, explains why evolutionary strategies and collective intelligence could reshape the future of machine learning. We explore model merging, multi-agent systems, Monte Carlo tree search, and the AI Scientist framework designed to generate and evaluate new research ideas. The conversation dives into open-ended discovery, quality and diversity in AI systems, world models, and whether artificial intelligence can push beyond the boundaries of human knowledge.

If you're interested in AGI, evolutionary AI, frontier models, AI research automation, or how AI could start discovering science on its own, this episode offers a clear look at where the field may be heading next.

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(00:00) AI Should Evolve, Not Just Scale

(03:54) David's Journey From Finance to Evolutionary AI

(10:18) Why Gradient Descent Gets Stuck

(18:12) Model Merging and Collective Intelligence

(28:18) Combining Closed Frontier Models

(32:56) Inside the AI Scientist Experiment

(38:11) Parent Selection, Diversity and Innovation

(49:25) Can AI Discover Truly New Knowledge?

(53:05) Why Continual Learning Matter

In this episode of Eye on AI, Craig Smith speaks with Amanda Luther, Senior Partner at Boston Consulting Group and global lead of BCG's AI Transformation practice, about what their latest 1,500-company AI study reveals about the widening gap between AI leaders and laggards.

Only 5% of companies are truly "future-built" with AI embedded across their core business functions. These firms are seeing measurable gains in revenue growth, EBIT margins, and shareholder returns. Meanwhile, 60% of organizations are either experimenting or struggling to extract real value.

Amanda breaks down how BCG measures AI maturity across 41 capabilities, how AI impact flows through the P&L, and why leading companies invest twice as much in AI as their competitors. She explains where AI is actually creating value today, from sales and marketing to procurement and retail operations, and why most of that value comes from core business functions, not back-office automation.

The conversation also explores the rise of agentic systems, why many early agent deployments fail, and what it really takes to redesign workflows around AI. Amanda shares practical advice for companies stuck in experimentation mode, how to prioritize the right use cases, and why training and change management matter more than chasing the perfect vendor.

If you want to understand how AI is reshaping competitive advantage in enterprise organizations, this episode provides a data-backed look at what separates the leaders from everyone else.

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(00:00) The AI Value Gap

(01:17) Inside BCG's 1,500-Company AI Study

(04:14) What "Future-Built" Companies Do Differently

(09:30) How AI Impact Is Measured on the P&L

(12:57) Why AI Leaders Invest 2X More

(14:16) Where AI Is Driving Real Cost Reduction

(16:20) Agentic AI: Hype vs Reality

(20:13) Where Agents Actually Create Value

(24:22) Tech vs Talent: Where the Money Goes

(26:58) Will AI Laggards Slowly Disappear?

(31:58) Why Adoption Is Accelerating Now

(40:07) How to Start: Amanda's Advice to AI Laggards

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In this episode of Eye on AI, Nick Frosst, Co-Founder of Cohere and former Google Brain researcher, explains why Cohere is betting on enterprise AI instead of chasing AGI.

While much of the AI industry is focused on artificial general intelligence, Cohere is building practical, capital-efficient large language models designed for real-world enterprise deployment. Nick breaks down why scaling transformers does not equal AGI, why inference cost and ROI matter, and how enterprise AI differs from consumer AI hype.

We discuss enterprise LLM deployment, private data, regulated industries like banking and healthcare, agentic systems, evaluation benchmarks, and why AI will likely become embedded infrastructure rather than a headline breakthrough.

If you care about enterprise AI, AGI debates, large language models, and the future of AI in business, this conversation delivers a grounded perspective from inside one of the leading AI companies.

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(00:00) From Google Brain to Cohere

(03:54) Discovering Transformers

(06:39) The Transformer Dominance

(09:44) What AGI Actually Means

(12:26) Planes vs Birds: The AI Analogy

(14:08) Why Cohere Isn't Chasing AGI

(18:38) Distillation & Model Efficiency

(21:42) What Enterprise AI Really Does

(25:20) Private Data & Secure Deployment

(26:59) Enterprise Use Cases (RBC Example)

(32:22) Why AI Benchmarks Mislead

(34:55) Why Most AI Stays in Demo

(38:23) What "Agents" Actually Are

(43:32) The Problem With AGI Fear

(49:15) Scaling Enterprise AI

(53:24) Why AI Will Get "Boring"