This episode is a heartfelt dive into the world of youth mental health, relationships, and the brain. Dr. Jean Clinton shares about how love, connection, and understanding can shape young minds, way more than we often realize. We talk about practical ways to support kids and teens, from connecting before correcting, to being mindful of relationships and context in teaching and counselling.

Dr. Clinton highlights the importance of relationships, connection and context; it’s not just about behaviour intervention, it’s about listening, empathy, and building meaningful relationships that truly help kids thrive.

Important Messages

Connect before you correct: Kids respond better when they feel understood and supported first, rather than immediately “fixed.”

Love builds brains: Relationships and emotional safety are just as important for development as academics or therapy techniques.

Context matters: Kids’ behaviours make more sense when you consider their relationships, environment, and past experiences.

Collaborative dialogue is powerful: Sharing experiences and learning together benefits both adults and children.

Practical, small steps count: Simple, consistent acts of connection make a huge difference over time.

This podcast episode features a deep, reflective conversation with Carmen Theobald of Horse Sense North, focusing on the creation and impact of their equine-assisted programs for first responders and public safety personnel. Carmen shares how horses provide a grounded, non-judgmental presence that helps people reconnect with safety, embodiment, and authentic emotion. The discussion touches on the unique design of their five-day intensive program, the importance of community and relational safety, and the program’s growing support—including full funding for OPP members and emerging pathways for others.

Carmen also opens up about her own personal journey: leaving Montreal at 18, following a nontraditional path, struggling to trust her instincts, and finding profound meaning in her relationship with horses. She describes surviving a traumatic event in a classroom, the way that proximity to death reshaped her sense of purpose, and how this informs both her life and her work. The episode closes with a reflection on courage, strength, vulnerability, and living in alignment with one’s deeper truth.

Important Messages

Horses offer a unique pathway to regulation and healing: Horses respond to people as they truly are - not their uniforms, roles, or titles. Their presence helps individuals feel safe, seen, and connected, often without needing to revisit traumatic content.

Community across roles matters” Bringing together different first responders fosters understanding “beyond the uniform;” their shared humanity becomes clearer when hierarchy and labels fade.

Carmen’s personal story informs her work: A life-altering event involving hiding from danger taught her a profound acceptance of mortality. This experience fuels her dedication to living fully and helping others do the same. Her unusual life path guided largely “by the horses,” required courage and trust in unconventional choices.

The heart of the work is strength + vulnerability: Carmen emphasizes the paradox of holding both simultaneously, and how horses model this balance every day, inviting humans to do the same.

In this chat with Kelly Mahler, a leading expert on interoception, we dive into what interoception really means and why it’s such a game-changer. Kelly explains how interoception is about tuning into the signals inside our bodies — like hunger, thirst, heart rate, and emotions — and how understanding these can totally change the way we relate to ourselves and others.

We hear about how this awareness is especially powerful for kids and families, helping them move away from traditional compliance-based approaches that can feel controlling or punitive. Instead, Kelly champions a gentler, collaborative way where kids learn to recognize what their bodies need to manage challenges and build resilience.

The conversation also touches on some of the resistance people face when trying to shift away from old methods, but Kelly reminds us that it’s not about chaos — structure and expectations are still super important, just balanced with empathy and curiosity about what’s really going on beneath the surface.

One exciting highlight is Kelly’s upcoming kids’ book series on interoception, co-written with her daughter, that invites kids to explore their body signals through experiments and stories, making the science of interoception accessible and engaging.

Overall, the interview leaves us with a fresh perspective on how paying attention to our internal experiences can lead to healthier relationships, better emotional regulation, and a more compassionate approach to parenting and teaching.

Key Takeaways

• Interoception = Internal body awareness: It’s the sense of what’s happening inside your body — hunger, temperature, emotions, and more. Interoception-based approaches promote safe, collaborative boundaries, so instead of blaming kids for difficult behavior, by asking “What’s going on inside your body?” we can help open a door to understanding and support.

• Moving beyond compliance: Traditional “follow the rules” approaches can miss what kids really need; listening to their body signals helps build resilience and cooperation. Structure still matters, it’s not about “no rules,” but about flexible expectations that respect a child’s bodily experiences.