In the final episode of Everybody Knows, Ruby Jones unpacks what she’s learnt about the rise and fall of MeToo in Australia, and why holding perpetrators accountable still feels so hard.

To help answer that question, Ruby speaks to two people who have thought deeply about the problems in the music industry.

The first is Dorothy Carvello. She worked for major labels in the US, and is now blowing the whistle on decades of abuse in the industry.

The second is Deena Lynch, also known as Jaguar Jonze. She’s an Australian musician who went public about being sexually assaulted a few months ago.

Together, the three of them explore what the cost is of speaking out, and whether it's worth it. And what real, genuine, accountability might look like in the music industry and beyond.

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In episode four of Everybody Knows Ruby Jones speaks to three women who have worked at Sony Music Australia, who all have something in common: they all experienced bullying and intimidation from the same man at the company.

Two of those women have lodged complaints to Sony about this man as part of Sony's internal investigation into workplace culture. But the longer the investigation has gone on, the more they’ve wondered: is anyone listening?

This is episode four of Everybody Knows: The complaints.

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In this episode, Ruby Jones speaks to some of the best known lawyers on either side of the Me Too movement in order to help her investigation.

Ruby looks at how the law is used to silence women, and the media, when it comes to sexual harassment and misconduct. And she asks how legal threats became one of the foremost barriers to women sharing their stories.

This is episode three of Everybody Knows: A Broken System.

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