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In this episode, Brian and Eric discuss the intersections of ministry, business, and personal vocation. Topics include the co-vocational and bi-vocational models for ministry, lessons pastors and business leaders can learn from each other, and the significance of viewing work as worship. They also reflect on the challenges and opportunities in integrating faith with professional life.

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● The book guides ministry leaders to transition into marketplace jobs.

● It addresses ministry sustainability and reduces financial stress for pastors.

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In this episode of the Everybody Brands Podcast, Brian Sooy and guest Zach Hoskins discuss Zach's perspective on this idea: "Don’t just sell a product—sell a process. Help clients build a strategy that converts leads, nurtures relationships, and retains customers for life."

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What is your professional background?

• Military: 10 years in Missouri Air National Guard, worked on B2 stealth bomber
• Leadership: 10 years on leadership teams of entrepreneurial organizations (C-suite roles)
• Consulting: Implemented coaching strategies and business systems for 5+ years
• Current: Owns The Efficiency Conductor, runs online communities for tech professionals and leaders

What communities do you run?

• Harmony Growth Lab: Helps cybersecurity professionals build personal brands and strategic visions

What is your approach to client relationships?

• Focus on selling a process, not just a product
• Help clients build strategies to convert leads, nurture relationships, and retain customers
• Prioritize investing in team members, who then take better care of clients
• View relationships as the foundation of business success

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How do you balance team and client priorities?

• Shifted focus from "clients first" to "team members first, then clients"
• Pouring into team members empowers them to better serve clients
• This approach helps remove the owner from day-to-day operations

How do you approach strategic planning for businesses?

• Map out the entire client journey from awareness to advocacy
• Use whiteboards to visualize processes and identify priorities
• Focus on one area (e.g., sales process) for a sustained period (90 days to a year)
• Emphasize working on the business vs. in the business

What's your view on long-term planning?

• While specifics may change, focus on desired feelings and outcomes
• Use reverse engineering to determine steps needed today

How do you manage time and productivity?

• Focus on four key elements: Time, Energy, Attention, and Effort (T.E.A.E.)
• Create an "ideal week" to manage time effectively
• Analyze energy levels throughout the week
• Direct attention intentionally and adjust effort accordingly

How do you approach relationship building in business?

• Create communication cadences (weekly, monthly, quarterly, yearly)
• Use methods like podcasting to generate leads and build relationships
• View relationships as the foundation of all business success
• Balance emotional and logical communication based on audience (e.g., more logic-focused for accountants)

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