Geoff is in the leafy North London suburb of Muswell Hill to meet the wonderful Gabriella Swallow – one of the most versatile and exciting cellists of her generation.

When Gabriella declares "I just want the biggest one" as her instrument selection as a child, it perfectly captures her fearless approach to musical exploration. Born in Belfast during “The Troubles” to dentist parents who loved music, Gabriella's journey from classical prodigy to genre-crossing improviser reveals a musician who refuses to be confined by tradition.

The conversation takes you through her formative years at Chetham’s School of Music, where she befriended future jazz innovators like Gwilym Simcock before continuing her classical training at the Royal College of Music. All while secretly jamming with indie bands and taking her first steps into session work. Her candid reflections on these early experiences highlight the delicate art of working across musical divides - learning to respect musicians who couldn't read music but possessed extraordinary creative gifts.

The heart of this episode centres on Gabriella's transformative experience touring with jazz keyboard virtuoso Hiromi. After being bluntly told her timing wasn't good enough, she embraced what she calls "funk school," spending hours daily with Hiromi and a drum machine developing walking bass technique and time feel - skills rarely taught to classical cellists. "To learn those skills post-40 years old was the biggest present she could have given me," Gabriella reflects, demonstrating how embracing vulnerability led to musical growth.

Throughout the conversation with Geoff, Gabriella reveals how music became her sanctuary during life's challenges, from her boarding school experience to balancing motherhood with her career. "Playing made me a better mother and motherhood made me a better musician," she notes, showing how these seemingly competing identities actually strengthened each other.

Listen as Gabriella performs an impromptu improvisation on Charlie Chaplin’s 1930s standard 'Smile', demonstrating her lyrical approach to jazz standards while discussing the technical challenges of adapting classical technique to new contexts. Her story will inspire anyone seeking to cross musical boundaries and find their authentic voice, regardless of their training or background.